Does anyone get sick of hearing about Hillsborough?

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Original post by The_Last_Melon

Disgracefully whimsical comments on this thread regarding the suffering of fellow Brits. Shame on you.

Why do you care more about a stranger who is British than someone from a different country? It seems very self indulgent and strange to put people on a pedestal. Do you know ow many people died in Syria or Iraq far more recently.

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Betelgeuse-

Original post by DBR247

Absolutely not, seeing Justice being delivered for those families and the 96 that died whose families had campaigned for it, was a truly momentous moment and one that will go down in legal history. The verdict delivered Yesterday proves that nobody, not even the authorities are above the law and that is something that is of importance to everyone.

Nobody has been punished yet. If anything this whole thing just goes to show the contrary.

Funny how all these powerful peoples crimes only come out decades later when they are 6 feet under or suffering from dementia and cant stand trial

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Original post by Good bloke

Be fair, that was published in 2004, many years before the true story had emerged and when the police had officially briefed politicians and the press with self-serving lies, up[on which Boris based his comments.

The Taylor Interim Report was published in 1989 and placed the blame squarely on the police and the club.

The fact that Boris was repeating lies published by the Sun rather than anything reliable isn't an excuse.

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Original post by Good bloke

It is pretty clear, after this last inquest, that it was no such thing. It was a classic case of the wrong (inexperienced and incompetent) man being in charge and over-riding the advice of juniors who knew better, and he will be lucky now to escape without being convicted of manslaughter.

that is still an accident as in he didn't intentionally want those people to die so is still an accident.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_manslaughter_in_English_law

Original post by karl pilkington

that is still an accident as in he didn't intentionally want those people to die so is still an accident.

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Betelgeuse-

Original post by swagyolo420

Don't really understand how it was unlawful? Did the police force all these people to turn up? And did they force them into an overcrowded stadium? The whole thing was tragic but it was an accident. The police and stadium authorities didn't kill those people on purpose

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The police were in charge of managing the health and safety of the game, and the crowd. Opening the gate led to forseeable and inevitable tragedy

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_manslaughter_in_English_law

Original post by PQ

you may want to get all intellectual my point is it achieves nothing by trying to attribute blame. I can understand not wanting the victims to be smeared but having all these ridiculous inquiries is just so lame. it was essentially just a health and safety failure.

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Betelgeuse-

Original post by karl pilkington

that is still an accident as in he didn't intentionally want those people to die so is still an accident.

You are more intelligent than that post Karl

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HOLA255

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Let it be, the families haven't received the justice they deserve for what went wrong.

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Good bloke

Original post by PQ

The Taylor Interim Report was published in 1989 and placed the blame squarely on the police and the club.

True, but Duckenfield and his deputy were able to successfully claim at their private prosecution that the problem was caused by late arrivals. There have been some pretty deficient juries in this story.

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Dodgypirate

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Original post by karl pilkington

exactly I kind of think they were given the label 'unlawfully killed' to get them to shut up about it as well as the home secretary going on about their dignity and determination. It was a tragic accident people die every day.

If the police hadn't allowed thousands of added Liverpool supporters into the already crowded main stand, this wouldn't have happened. That's the unlawful killing part. For 27 years the fans have been blammed for it.

This might help you
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/features/uk-england-36103823/36103823

(edited 7 years ago)

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Little Popcorns

What a goon it's because the inquest was going on for such a long time. People lost their family members at what should have been a safe public performance. You're so spesh.

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Good bloke

Original post by karl pilkington

that is still an accident as in he didn't intentionally want those people to die so is still an accident.

Oh dear! You should read up about negligence, and duty of care.

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Original post by Good bloke

True, but Duckenfield and his deputy were able to successfully claim at their private prosecution that the problem was caused by late arrivals. There have been some pretty deficient juries in this story.

True

It's interesting to see that Boris is getting a lot of stick for this but comments from Cameron have been "forgotten" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-15464063

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Original post by Little Popcorns

What a goon it's because the inquest was going on for such a long time. People lost their family members at what should have been a safe public performance. You're so spesh.

wtf is spesh also the inquest was pointless they already changed health and safety rules to prevent over crowding

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Original post by karl pilkington

the inquest was pointless

tell that to this lady:

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BeastOfSyracuse

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Original post by karl pilkington

exactly I kind of think they were given the label 'unlawfully killed' to get them to shut up about it as well as the home secretary going on about their dignity and determination. It was a tragic accident people die every day.

Agreed. And I don't think that this case would meet the test for gross negligence manslaughter.

The actions of the superintendent wasn't characterised by any kind of gross recklessness or disregard for the safety of the fans that I think would amount to the fourth limb of the gross negligence manslaughter test; he made a terrible mistake but it wasn't in the sense of being completely reckless, in fact in opening the exit gate he thought he was reducing the level of risk.

It's also strange how the north is lionising itself as being part of some brave "quest for truth". We know what happened. They knew what happened 25 years ago. But of course this has to be turned into a big conspiracy of the evil south against innocent north, rather than simply being a tragic accident.

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BeastOfSyracuse

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Original post by PQ

tell that to this lady:

That's a bald-faced appeal to pure emotion. The facts of Hillsborough were known 25 years ago. Any death of a family member is tragic, but after two decades people are usually able to move on with their lives. It seems many people are uninterested in that and instead are determined to lionise themselves as being on some brave "quest for truth" (despite all the facts being known long ago) and that they are fighting some evil southern conspiracy.

How does it help this woman to rake up her grief from decades ago?

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