Ken Livingstone destroyed by Andrew Neil live on air

lmao what

Fixed that for you.😊

This why I hate the left and everything they are. That video really has annoyed me. Everytime I know a lefty has been murdered I will celebrate because I am yet to meet a lefty who isn't anti-Semitic, up the *** of Islam, pro terror, pro extremism and pro everything that is anti west, anti white, anti Jewish, you name it. They are pure evil

Calm down Hitler.

Ironic since didn't we just hear how it's the left who think "hitler was the greatest man on earth"?

Please tell me what happened to the left? You used to make valid arguments. Now they are pro-Islam, pro-extremism, pro-terror, anti-Jewish, anti-Christianity. Why did they take this "I love Islam route"? And please don't deny it, most people know it, we see it on a regular basis so address the question. Why is there this special relationship between Islam and the left?

Hitler and his fascist chums killed a lot of them that's for sure. Now go celebrate over all the leftists that rotted in concentration camps.

Oswald Mosley was in the Labour party so it is nothing new.

There are lots of different groupings in the left. Just like the right. The left has always had elements hostile to religion (which includes being hostile to Christianity as well as other religions). You want an example of someone from the left who was hostile to Islam go read stuff by Christopher Hitchens.

There are those on the left you support or act as apologist for Islamic terrorists like ISIS or Hamas because they see them as enemies of Western imperialism. My enemies enemy is my friend.

There are those on the left who defend Muslims from what they see as racism or some other form of oppression. Then at the same time a bit part of the left has always been about standing against social conservatism in religion. It is complicated trying to balance these two contradicting points. This also brings up another point. Socially conservative Muslims often vote for the Conservative part. That Muslim accused of being an extremist and being mates with Sadiq Khan (who voted for equal marriage) was actually a bring supporter of the conservatives due to their social conservatism. In this instance it is the Muslim Khan being progressive with his stance on equal marriage and the socially conservative Tories being allied with the socially conservative Muslims.

You seem to want me to be anti Islam, pro Jew and pro Christianity. That's a regressive position. I wont just blindly single out one lot of people and blindly praise another. I am pro human rights, social liberalism and other values that are important to me and can be described as humanist. I judge everyone/group based on those values. So Muslim Kurds standing up for women and fighting against ISIS get my support where as at the same time I view the head scarf as a result of a patriarchal religious culture.

I've been anti religion all my life. I spit on the 3 Abrahamic religions for the Barbary they have inflicted on this earth. I'm not changing my views to appease to your Islamic terrorist friends

Tbh I really can't be bothered to debate you this time. We just get more of your bigotry and deluded lies, end up spending 1269 hours going back and forth. It's a waste of my time because you're not interested in genuine debate, you're just an anti-semitic douche, so it's time to go ahead and add you to the ignore list

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what's wrong with that statement

I think the stereotype about Golders Green being a jewish area.

Hitler and his fascist chums killed a lot of them that's for sure. Now go celebrate over all the leftists that rotted in concentration camps.

...was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine

Incorrect. You may have just been referring to Nazis, which is then correct, but if you were not - I'll count this as some history revision. Neither Mussolini or Franco (more debatable) were anti-Semitic.

Ken Livingstone is the latest victim of this witch-hunt.

There are anti-Semites in every political party, and they should be suspended, investigated and if found to be anti-Semitic, should be expelled from the party.

However, Livingstone was simply (but perhaps stupidly) pointing out a historical fact. He was referring to the Haavara Agreement, which:



Nothing Livingstone said was anti-Semitic. Naz Shah's insinuation, on Facebook, that Jewish people should be forcibly relocated to the United States, was an anti-Semitic comment, although I don't think that she is personally anti-Semitic. Nevertheless, it is right that she has been suspended.

Once again, however, many people, including the totality of the mainstream media, are trying to conflate anti-Zionism and criticism of Israeli government policy with anti-Semitism.

Having read a transcript of what was said I am coming to this conclusion myself.



I don't think you can come to the conclusion Hitler was a Zionist from that Haavara Agreement, it was most likely Hitler aligning himself with any politician force that would get Jews out of Germany. However you can;t accuse people of anti-Semitism and expelling them just for having bad historical analysis. I think it is possible Ken Livingston is antisemtic and is equating Zionist and by extension Jews as being Neo-fascists with the supporting of the state of Israel. It's the flip side of the far right equating Jews as being Nazis and that Jews worked with Hitler to create a Jewish state.

I think the question is: Does the cooperation between Hitler and a Zionist organisation mean Hitler was a Zionist? Most people would say no. People who say yes may well be prejudiced against Jews and want to tie Zionism with Fascism and then blame Jews as a whole.

Let’s remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism

He was a monster from start to finish but it’s simply the historical fact. His policy was originally to send all of Germany’s Jews to Israel and there were private meetings between the Zionist movement and Hitler’s government which were kept confidential, they only became apparent after the war, when they were having a dialogue to do this.

What John Mann just said isn’t true – I’ve not said that Hitler was a Zionist, what I said was his policy in ‘32 was to deport Germany’s Jews to Israel. I condemn that. I never said it, what I said was that was his policy.

Livingstone isn't anti-Semitic, and I think he's right to criticise really-existing Zionism (Zionism in action) and the policies of the state of Israel. Even if he was trying to associate Zionism with Nazism, there's nothing anti-Semitic about that, although as you point out, there could be. In Livingstone's case, I don't think it is: he was stupidly and untactfully pointing out a historical fact and a historical policy.

Zionism is a form nationalism and as such has the potential to be spawn ethnic fascist political forces. Just like Einstein pointed out when comparing certain Zionist politicians of Israel to German fascists.

Sir Alan Cunningham, who was the last high commissioner in pre-state Israel, wrote to his superiors that as the Jews celebrated military victories, their “broadcasts, both in content and in manner of delivery, are remarkably like those of Nazi Germany.”

In another report, he wrote that the Jews were ready to declare the state’s establishment and an “all-out offensive” with “all the equipment of a totalitarian regime.” The papers include mention of Jewish and Arab attacks against the British, together with frequent references to Jewish “terrorists.”