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Not sure how to answer this question. Btw I know how to express something as a product of its prime factors but not sure what this question wants me to do, thanks.

Given that 25x{25x}2 1 factorises to give (5x{x}-1)(5x{x}+1), express 2499 as a product of its prime factors.
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25x21=(5x1)(5x+1)25x^2-1=(5x-1)(5x+1)

Let x=10x=10

LHS: 251021=25001=249925*10^2-1=2500-1=2499

So 2499=(5101)(510+1)=4951=7751=771732499=(5*10-1)(5*10+1)=49*51=7*7*51=7*7*17*3
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Original post by _Xenon_
Hi
Not sure how to answer this question. Btw I know how to express something as a product of its prime factors but not sure what this question wants me to do, thanks.

Given that 25x{25x}2 1 factorises to give (5x{x}-1)(5x{x}+1), express 2499 as a product of its prime factors.


Think about the information given and how it relates to 2499. The rest should follow.
Reply 3
Original post by Math12345
25x21=(5x1)(5x+1)25x^2-1=(5x-1)(5x+1)

Let x=10x=10

LHS: 251021=25001=249925*10^2-1=2500-1=2499

So 2499=(5101)(510+1)=4951=77512499=(5*10-1)(5*10+1)=49*51=7*7*51


Ah can I let x = 20 if I want so can it be anything?
Original post by _Xenon_
Ah can I let x = 20 if I want so can it be anything?


If you let x=20 then you get 25*20^2-1=10000-1=9999 which is not what you wanted the prime factorisation for.
Reply 5
Original post by Math12345
If you let x=20 then you get 25*20^2-1=10000-1 which is not what you wanted the prime factorisation for.


Oh so you think of a number which equals 2500 when 25 is multiplied by it so in this case that would be 10 giving 2500 and when you subtract 1 you get 2499 as it says 25x^2-1 ....


Is 51 a prime number?!
Reply 6
Original post by _Xenon_
Oh so you think of a number which equals 2500 when 25 is multiplied by it so in this case that would be 10 giving 2500 and when you subtract 1 you get 2499 as it says 25x^2-1 ....


Is 51 a prime number?!


Well, you know that 25x21=(5x1)(5x+1)25x^2 - 1= (5x-1)(5x+1) and you've already said x=10x=10, so replace the xx in the brackets with 1010, what do you get? You will then need to further decompose these two numbers into their prime factors.

(51 is not prime).
Original post by _Xenon_
Oh so you think of a number which equals 2500 when 25 is multiplied by it so in this case that would be 10 giving 2500 and when you subtract 1 you get 2499 as it says 25x^2-1 ....


Is 51 a prime number?!



Yes sorry forgot to cancel down 51 into 17*3
Reply 8
Original post by Zacken
Well, you know that 25x21=(5x1)(5x+1)25x^2 - 1= (5x-1)(5x+1) and you've already said x=10x=10, so replace the xx in the brackets with 1010, what do you get? You will then need to further decompose these two numbers into their prime factors.

(51 is not prime).


Oh yes I'll do that and I thought it wasn't, the dude above made a mistake I think.
He wrote 49*51=7*7*51 but 51 isn't prime...
Reply 9
Original post by _Xenon_
Oh yes I'll do that and I thought it wasn't, the dude above made a mistake I think.
He wrote 49*51=7*7*51 but 51 isn't prime so he's wrong, right?


Well, not wrong. But he hasn't answered the question properly, yes. He's edited his post to give the correct version now.
Reply 10
Original post by Math12345
Yes sorry forgot to cancel down 51 into 17*3


Ah it's OK, I think I understand now. What about 105^2 as a product of its prime factors?

Do I have to square it to get 11025 then break that down by prime factor decomposition? That's a massive number is there a simpler way?
Reply 11
Original post by Zacken
Well, not wrong. But he hasn't answered the question properly, yes. He's edited his post to give the correct version now.


Oh yeah sorry Thanks Maths12345 and Zacken :smile:
Original post by _Xenon_
Ah it's OK, I think I understand now. What about 105^2 as a product of its prime factors?

Do I have to square it to get 11025 then break that down by prime factor decomposition? That's a massive number is there a simpler way?


1052=(105)(105)105^2=(105)*(105)

105=521=357105=5*21=3*5*7

so 1052=(357)(357)=325272105^2=(3*5*7)*(3*5*7)=3^2*5^2*7^2
Reply 13
Original post by Math12345
1052=(105)(105)105^2=(105)*(105)

105=521=357105=5*21=3*5*7

so 1052=(357)(357)=325272105^2=(3*5*7)*(3*5*7)=3^2*5^2*7^2


Oh nice, I've never been taught the method which you're using but that looks like something that will be very useful for me to learn. Thanks for your help.
Reply 14
Original post by Math12345
1052=(105)(105)105^2=(105)*(105)

105=521=357105=5*21=3*5*7

so 1052=(357)(357)=325272105^2=(3*5*7)*(3*5*7)=3^2*5^2*7^2


How many prime number do you recommend I memorise? I know 2,3,5,7,11,13,17 already should I learn more or id that enough
Original post by _Xenon_
How many prime number do you recommend I memorise? I know 2,3,5,7,11,13,17 already should I learn more or id that enough


Learn them up to 100. There are only 25 primes up to 100. I doubt you will need any more for GCSE.
Reply 16
Original post by Math12345
Learn them up to 100. There are only 25 primes up to 100. I doubt you will need any more for GCSE.


OK thanks...
Original post by _Xenon_


Is 51 a prime number?!


Quick way to check for small factors - the first two obvious ones are
if it's an even number it's divisible by 2;
if it ends in 5 or 0 it's a multiple of 5;

But also a useful one to check for primality - if the sum of the three digits is divisible by 3, then the number is divisible by 3; in your case 51 gives 5+1 = 6, divisible by 3 so not prime
Reply 18
Original post by _Xenon_
OK thanks...

It's possible but unlikely that you will lose a mark in the exam for not knowing a large prime. And it would probably only be a single mark.

I recommend that you don't spend any time learning larger prime numbers since you only have 3 weeks. Focus on other topics.
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Reply 19
Original post by Zacken
Well, not wrong. But he hasn't answered the question properly, yes. He's edited his post to give the correct version now.


Original post by Math12345
1052=(105)(105)105^2=(105)*(105)

105=521=357105=5*21=3*5*7

so 1052=(357)(357)=325272105^2=(3*5*7)*(3*5*7)=3^2*5^2*7^2


Original post by Metrododo
Quick way to check for small factors - the first two obvious ones are
if it's an even number it's divisible by 2;
if it ends in 5 or 0 it's a multiple of 5;

But also a useful one to check for primality - if the sum of the three digits is divisible by 3, then the number is divisible by 3; in your case 51 gives 5+1 = 6, divisible by 3 so not prime


@notnek
I found a trick that gives you the ANSWER!
On casio calculators if it asks for product of prime factors you just type in the number, for example 210 then press shift and fact and it gives the answer, in index form!! But they do sometimes want working out but still very good.
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