Why do women do much better in very ''patriarchal'' countries?

This is kind of a spin off of my other thread about women choosing low paid degrees, since some people brought up social influences and gender roles.

I'm from a east-euro country where gender roles and ''patriarchy'' are far more ingrained in the culture compared to the UK . On top of that, women are even more ''sexualized'' than in the UK . It's a weird combo of religious/traditional and ''extra-liberated'' modern society: imagine a church right next to a newsstand selling porn mags with very ''explicit'' covers (none of that top shelf, covered up ''will someone think of the children'' nonsense). Basically feminist hell, all kinds of it, left and right . And speaking of feminism, I have literally never heard or seen the word anywhere. Ever.

Yet women go into STEM degrees far more than (I looked up recent graduation photos from engineering courses and there are so many female graduates, in some of them you can barely see a few guys), they make up 75% of judges (25% in the UK), the majority of top end lawyers, notaries and many other highly paid/long hours/competitive jobs. Oh and the wage gap is far lower, almost inexistent in the private sector (whereas in the UK it's almost 25%). We're talking about a country where most people would never vote for a female president. You think rape victim blaming, slut shaming, fat shaming, ''pinkification'' and all that other stuff is bad in the UK? HA!! We're talking about a country where many still believe that ''a wife that hasn't been beaten is like a house that hasn't been vacuumed''. Nobody cares. Just the other day on the news they were saying how women were allowed to leave work earlier so they could cook for Easter and it was seen as a great thing. Imagine the reaction to that in the UK lmao.

A few more details that are very relevant : welfare is basically inexistent, public health care is a ****ing disgrace (and that's on a good day) and divorce laws are quite different : the higher income spouse can claim a share according to what they've made over the years, anything inherited is untouchable (same goes for intellectual property, personal items etc...), there is no alimony, no future income/pensions claim and so on.

Cliffs : Despite having far more many hurdles to overcome, women in less feminist/progressive societies do far better. Sweden looks like a medieval patriarchy compared to my country when you look at the outcomes. Equality (of outcomes aka the feminist version of it) will never be achieved through social engineering, treating women like quasi-children that need privileges, quotas and ''you can do it, gurrlll'' campaigns only increases the outcome gap (best observable in Sweden and the other nordic gender equal paradises). The exact opposite works far, far better.

Bonus photo of the most prominent female politician :

Alina Gorghiu?

Historical factors play a big role role too. You can't generalise the results of your country to all.
In general, patriarchal societies tend to have much worse outcomes for women. You would agree that Saudi Arabia, India Subcontinent, Sub-Saharan Africa, all worse off than Sweden.

You need to control for a lot of factors when making these comparisons. I should know. That's my masters thesis.

These women probably knew the way women were being treated in your country isn't morally justifiable so they want prove everyone wrong by not beholding a traditional feminine role and pursing a 'masculine' job. The fact is that what you stated is what people in your country THINK women are like not what they actually are- so women can either go against what you say or actually listen to everyone else.

Living in a patriarchal country makes you think more than a country that isn't patriarchal.

Alina Gorghiu?

Historical factors play a big role role too. You can't generalise the results of your country to all.
In general, patriarchal societies tend to have much worse outcomes for women. You would agree that Saudi Arabia, India Subcontinent, Sub-Saharan Africa, all worse off than Sweden.

You need to control for a lot of factors when making these comparisons. I should know. That's my masters thesis.

The more choices women have (being able to choose ''feminine'' degrees/careers and earn enough from them, huge welfare state, biased divorce laws etc) the more ''feminine'' choices they will make, which goes completely against feminist theory which states gender ''progressiveness'' will lead to a perfect 50/50 outcome in everything.

It's like that scene in ''Office space'', when you're not sure what you want to do ask yourself what would you do for a living if you had 1 million dollars? Women in the West are incredibly cocooned and have lifestyle/career choices/paths that most men can't ever dare dream of, so of course they'll choose whatever they like or the path of least resistance. That's how nature works.

That's true. As opposed to living in a strict country like Saudi Arabia, there is a limited choice for women there. It's not down on whether or not the country is patriarchal but the choices available for women clearly identify that.

That's what I mean and the reason i said ''patriarchal''. The strong social ''rules'' in my country should be impairing women from making the choices I mentioned, since according to feminist theory legal equal opportunities are far from enough to create a ''gender equal society''. But they don't. Like I said, I have never heard or seen the word ''feminism'' here ever. They do it because they don't have a welfare/well paid feminine job/divorce laws safety net like Western women. Women shouldn't be treated like ''special flowers'' that need constant cocooning by society or SJW's, all they need is equal opportunity and a world where they don't have an infinity of safety nets. But I doubt most women want that kind of equality. This is also very obvious in dating/relationships where most women (while declaring their fierce independence and craving for equality) still expect men to live up to their traditional gender role (initiator, provider, protector etc).

Because women have a smaller salary compared to men. Did you know women have a PhD get the same salary as a men who have a BA. Plus, some females don't want to have a job as they want to raise a family. If a woman gets a job, it's more likely to be part-time than full-time. But, men generally have a full-time job so that's why women depend on them. They obviously feel the independence when they have a job but it's a loss that the pay difference is huge. More women should work full-time like men then we wouldn't depend on men.

There was a really interesting documentary about this in Norway (I think it was Norway, one of the Scandiwegian countries anyway).

Alina Gorghiu?

Historical factors play a big role role too. You can't generalise the results of your country to all.
In general, patriarchal societies tend to have much worse outcomes for women. You would agree that Saudi Arabia, India Subcontinent, Sub-Saharan Africa, all worse off than Sweden.

You need to control for a lot of factors when making these comparisons. I should know. That's my masters thesis.

Careful what you wish for, famalam

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