Depressed; I Want To Take My Hijab Off

Imagine you have a best friend. You love him and he loves you (not in love; best friend type of love). You know everything about him, right? You know what shows he watches, you know what foods he likes to eat when you go resteraunts but not only that ... He has three/four favourite sweets. He loves them. He has them everyday and over time, you obviously notice this. And of course, as best best best friends you know their employment and how much money they might carry with them on an average night out.

One day, you and your friend enter a new sweet shop with every sweet in the world and you immediately know that your friend has ONLY enough money to buy those three/four sweets. I mean, he COULD buy ANY of the hundreds of sweets available but you just KNOW that he's gonna get those BEFORE he has even bought them.

Just like that, when God created mankind he knew exactly what actions the individual will do across his whole life and whether or not he is a good or bad muslim. He knows exactly what actions he will make before he does them.

So this life is a test with the results pre-determind before we are born. This pre-determination is based purely on the actions we make and they are known by God before we make the actions.

This is the philosophy that muslims believe in, in conjuction with the idea that God is All-Knowing. In fact, the whole idea of it depends on the idea that God is All-Knowing and so therefore if you disagree with that, then fair-dos.

Ooohhhh! And I almost forgot. If you're thinking "If God KNOWS what we're gonna do. Why doesn't God just send us straight to heaven/hell BEFORE we live our lives?"

It's because no crime can be punished without it actually happening. You can't punish someone for something they didn't do.

1) still, then: god isn't testing anybody
2) if a reality is pre-determined, which would be necessary if god knows the end result of every situation by virtue of this fact, then we dont have free will. the universe is simply playing out exactly as it is destined to. destiny =/= free will - it's the opposite. if I'm destined to do something and I'm destined to choose a certain path, then that's not me deciding it on a choice basis. if I was always going to do it then I had no choice in the matter.

I've noticed you said your 21 in another thread then 18 in another. I'm reporting you for making false threads.

You're definitely the same person. Bad idea.

How is it "test"? If god knows the result...

If god knows what will happen then we can't do something else that god didn't know about.

Its not a test. Its god putting us in this world already knowing what would happen and its just a game: unless god doesn't know what will happen in advance...

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If you want to take it off, then do it.

Religion or no religion, you have free will.

I don't think you understand. God is testing us - everything we do is based on our choices. Just because God knows what your choice is doesn't mean you didn't make the choice and that God made you do it. Hence, your 'destiny' is just based on your actions. Here's a good analogy I read:

I understand that it might be difficult for you to get your head around because I guess for many athiests you just want definite answers with physical evidence but thats not what religion is.

One of the main points in a religion is to have faith, and just because you don't particularly understand how something works doesn't mean God doesn't exist.
You have to remember, that I believe in a GOD. A god who created the whole universe. Therefore, our knowledge and understanding doesn't come close to his abilities, our knowledge is ultimately limited within 3 dimensions, but God is beyond that.

I don't want to spend my life asking constantly for physical evidence and getting angry if I don't understand anything in life because afterall, we are only human.
I believe that religion is a path to guide us and live a good life, to help and care for one another, by having trust in God.
You may not believe in God, but it isn't a reason to try and keep putting people's beliefs down and try and counter everything, when you yourself don't understand religion. People make choices and religion is one of them. If you don't believe in God that much, then it is your choice, so let others do what they want. It shouldn't affect you.

Maybe this is the case for many but again I must disagree. My mother is a convert to Islam and at the beginning she chose not to wear the scarf however after time she chose to wear it and tells me it's not oppressive but liberating. She didn't choose to wear it because she thought it was compulsory she wore it because of the way it made her feel. Again I must emphasise no one forced her my father's family are Muslim but none of the women wear a scarf making it completely her own choice. Like wise many of my friends are Muslim and most of those who didn't wear the scarf previously have started to adopt it due to the way it makes them feel. Again none of these girls were forced. However you do make a valid point many women are forced into hijab and maybe adding this label of liberation helps them come to terms with this. But I do think it is important to not ignore the fact that hijab and the scarf Is an ACTUAL source of liberation for many Muslim women.

clearly this is TL;DR
if god has knowledge of something, why would he test that subject matter?
would a scientist need to test something he already knows? he would maybe demonstrate a practical, but he isn't doing it to learn something, and he's thinking nothing other than "look, this is exactly what would happen". what kind of scientist is god, then? one who learns something even when he knows of the 100%-determined an certain outcome? how many times does he need to test an absolutely certain outcome in order to be absolutely certain of it being the outcome?

ngl im on the same boat as you, i have to wear an abaya, im the only one in a predominantly white girls school, i want to ateast just wear a hijab, but my parents just go crazy, even tho my younger sisters dont have to... i feel quite depressed too most of the time, now i just dont bother even trying to look good... im 18 too... gonna die an ugly loner... not dressing for guys... but for myself, so i can feel like i fit in... everone should b allowed to wear what they want, allah is all merciful, modesty iisnt just about covering your head

well atleast if i have daughters i wont to do the same

Well if he didn't have to "test" then we wouldn't be given a life, we wouldn't be able to be given a chance to live on earth and actually make those choices.
Maybe it would make sense if you actually read my post. But with your ignorance and lack of understanding, that is clearly too much to ask isn't it? I guess you didn't read my post because you wouldn't be able to respond to my points anyway. Have a good day.

also i dont hate islam i love islam, but this is all culture and traditions and the biggest concerns of my parents before gods judgemts are what people think and what people are going to say...

1) you're only proving my point by saying that - if god knew the outcome of creating the universe yet create it anyway and had nobody to demonstrate this knowledge to, why would he have done it?
2) I'm sorry, but is the precedent that I have to read everything another user writes to me, even if it is clearly a wall of text, or is the precedent that would work better that users should contain their text to the amount that is appropriate for their overall point? because I don't believe *all that* was necessary for whatever you were getting at simply by disagreeing with my post before

Imagine you have a best friend. You love him and he loves you (not in love; best friend type of love). You know everything about him, right? You know what shows he watches, you know what foods he likes to eat when you go resteraunts but not only that ... He has three/four favourite sweets. He loves them. He has them everyday and over time, you obviously notice this. And of course, as best best best friends you know their employment and how much money they might carry with them on an average night out.

One day, you and your friend enter a new sweet shop with every sweet in the world and you immediately know that your friend has ONLY enough money to buy those three/four sweets. I mean, he COULD buy ANY of the hundreds of sweets available but you just KNOW that he's gonna get those BEFORE he has even bought them.

Just like that, when God created mankind he knew exactly what actions the individual will do across his whole life and whether or not he is a good or bad muslim. He knows exactly what actions he will make before he does them.

So this life is a test with the results pre-determind before we are born. This pre-determination is based purely on the actions we make and they are known by God before we make the actions.

This is the philosophy that muslims believe in, in conjuction with the idea that God is All-Knowing. In fact, the whole idea of it depends on the idea that God is All-Knowing and so therefore if you disagree with that, then fair-dos.

Ooohhhh! And I almost forgot. If you're thinking "If God KNOWS what we're gonna do. Why doesn't God just send us straight to heaven/hell BEFORE we live our lives?"

It's because no crime can be punished without it actually happening. You can't punish someone for something they didn't do.

I believe it was necessary because you seem to be constantly arguing the existence of God based on the topic of "free will". Your first point also links to the "too long to read" post I made, since all you do is ask questions when you clearly don't understand what religion is about - so why keep talking about it and criticising it?

Then converts are also often keen to show that they are not faking their conversion.

Most people will respect and even congratulate you for leaving it.