A question to all atheists

what really annoys me about this thread is that the thread starter has made no interaction with the thread repliers.

what really annoys me about this thread is that the thread starter has made no interaction with the thread repliers.

I find that slightly insulting.

If you are going to start a thread the least you can do is interact with the people who make an effort to reply to your question.

Students should be polite.

Manners Maketh the Man (or woman).

1. The question wasnt about atheism. Has nothing to do with it so not sure what your point is. A question related to atheism would have been; How did the universe begin etc.
2. This was a thread he made in response to a previous thread. Where he compared incest to homosexuality and then claimed atheists support incest in ISOC.
3. When you ask a question which has nothing to do with a belief structure ofcourse you're going to get criticised. How naive of you. Atheism is the lack of a belief of a deity has there is no evidence to support such a claim. Where does incest fit into that again?

Fact is this thread was only made to generalise one persons view of incest to all atheists. http://prntscr.com/b41bx3

Stop with this Islam victim status. Getting so old.
How many times do I have to repeat this. The Quran and Islam can be, should be and will be criticised.
I simply stated that in Islam incest is encouraged which is it, blame interpretation all you like. Clearly my interpretation of Islam is the issue here... not Islam itself.

It is relevant as the OP asked the question merely so that he could use the results (inaccurately) to arrogantly look down on atheists in the ISOC thread.

It does indeed transpire that you're not familiar with the notion that I am putting forth. My point is that he was asking atheists for their views on this matter, not asking what atheism has to say on the matter, please understand the difference.

Again, your third point isn't consistent with what I am saying. Of course, the user will inevitably be criticized but I am saying, why his beliefs? His beliefs aren't relevant here. Again, a simple yet misunderstood point by yourself.

Ha! I should stop because apparently it's 'getting so old'. I shall repeat myself, such drivel is rarely found.

You are indeed entitled to your choice to attempt to criticize Islam, but like I have said previously, there's no relevance to Islam here.

What verse do you claim promotes incest? And how have you arrived at the conclusion that it does indeed promote incest (do you have other opinions from scholars to confirm your claims?)

If this is to be true, then I do disagree with the intention for this thread.

However, the link your proposing that Islam is somehow involved, is frankly absurd. His post would inevitably be criticized here, not his beliefs.

he was asking atheists for their views on this matter, not asking what atheism has to say on the matter, please understand the difference.

It is relevant as the OP asked the question merely so that he could use the results (inaccurately) to arrogantly look down on atheists in the ISOC thread.

If you'd taken the trouble to read even the first page of the thread before taking it upon yourself to lecture others as if they had misunderstood, you would know that the OP specifically asked what people thought of the matter as atheists, not what they thought as people who just happen to be atheists. See posts #8, #11, and #20.

And if there's still any doubt that he wasn't seeking to discredit atheist by associating it with the belief that a socially taboo practice isn't inherently immoral, see here: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3796875&page=242&highlight=&p=64769189#post64769189.

Cant rep but +1.
Just sad what people do to push their religious agenda by making us look bad
Because everyone knows atheism is just about promoting incest, having no morals and believing we came from nothing.

Thanks. You can always count on tribal religious people to jump to the defence of their fellow believer without half a thought for what has actually happened.

Is a 25 year old son, who fully consents to engage in sexual activity with his 55 year old father, according to your idea of morality, acceptable?

Is a 25 year old son, who fully consents to engage in sexual activity with his 55 year old father, according to your idea of morality, acceptable?

Stop picking and choosing what you take from my replies.
I wont repeat myself again because quite frankly I dont have the time. He asked for an atheist response to generalise. Regardless the link between the two is irrelevant and has been mocked.

The irony:
"My point is that he was asking atheists for their views on this matter, not asking what atheism has to say on the matter"
"Of course, the user will inevitably be criticized"

So, we both agree addressing this to all atheists was stupid and both understand why he was criticised. Asking atheists is exactly what I put fourth, not atheism has to say. I fail how to see why the need between atheism and atheists needed to be pointed out, I said that he was critcised for asking atheists. Asking atheists is irrelevant. Everyone has a different morality.

His beliefs:
The reason I critcised his belief point of view is because he clearly stated that he personally thought incest was wrong and that atheists morally think its acceptable. If you read the previous thread it was implied that Islam forbids incest and homosexuality for similar reasons.

Clearly you were not involved in the previous thread otherwise you wouldnt be asking why "his beliefs have anything to do with this". Funny because considering you're attempting to be patronising one would assume you were involved.

Quran 4:23.
Most if not all scholars agree with it, a simple google search could find me multiple scholars agreeing with it. Most of the islamic world today conforms by it. If that isnt enough... its written in black and white in the Quran.

Still must be my interpretation right?

If you'd taken the trouble to read even the first page of the thread before taking it upon yourself to lecture others as if they had misunderstood, you would know that the OP specifically asked what people thought of the matter as atheists, not what they thought as people who just happen to be atheists. See posts #8, #11, and #20.

And if there's still any doubt that he was seeking to discredit atheism by associating it with the belief that a socially taboo practice isn't inherently immoral, see here: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3796875&page=242&highlight=&p=64769189#post64769189.

Yes, the user asked atheists what their opinion was? That's what I said? Of course it was specific to atheists, that's not what I am pointing out here.

he was asking atheists for their views on this matter, not asking what atheism has to say on the matter, please understand the difference.

How else do you expect me to reply?

No, we both don't agree that it was 'stupid'. All I said was, the user will inevitably be criticized, which happens in almost all threads associated with religion.

You're changing your words? This is what you said: ' A question related to atheism would have been; How did the universe begin etc. '

Yes of course 'Asking atheists is exactly what I put fourth, not atheism has to say.'

The link must be distinguished because atheism has nothing to say, hence why others mocking him and resorting to ridiculing his beliefs, where as individual atheists do have something to say, which is what the thread starter wanted to ask.

My point was simply, in this thread, he was simply asking a question to the atheistic community, which only few actually responded appropriately. I see no issue with criticizing him due to his apparent intentions against fellow atheists.

I am certainly not attempting to be patronizing. But I'll take that as a compliment, for now anyway.

4:23 doesn't promote incest, it merely distinguishes between which you cannot marry. Your point would be more valid if it says something of the lines ' you should marry thou cousins...'. Please note the difference between encouraging and condoning. Please also note the definition for incest itself (from a simple google search):

sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other . (the crime of having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild

Please can you prove that the cousins are too close to marry each other. If not (what I assume), then this cannot be deemed as incest.

And you didn't support your point with the opinion of scholars, just to inform you.

Is a 25 year old son, who fully consents to engage in sexual activity with his 55 year old father, according to your idea of morality, acceptable?