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Original post by Grand High Witch
Ironic that you complain about "discrimination" in your first sentence, then go on to say "I personally don't like gay people".


Yeah that's because I originally wrote a different message but then changed it and forgot to change that sentence lol it's ok. Calm.

But seriously, like genuine question, how do they know if it was a Muslim or not???
the liberal lefties will tell you to "wait until all the facts have come to light"
Original post by Jebedee
Plenty of people are uneducated and manage not to hate particular sections of people or all other sections of people. I wouldn't say that is the primary factor.


It is a massive factor. People get confused with the Israel-Gaza conflict and think all Jews are Zionists and there's no one to teach them otherwise.

Also, can you link me the poll to where it shows this please. A UK would be better.
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Original post by neal95
the liberal lefties will tell you to "wait until all the facts have come to light"


This is legit what I said in my first post so this concerns me. So what do you propose we do? Shout out: "Muslims hate gays everyone!"
Original post by z33
Okay in MY experience Muslims around me and in the central London community (the Arab community) Jews are spoken of negatively. Maybe it's the Palestine vs Israel thing as well? Again - my experience. However many figures in Islam such as the prophet and Imam Ali (a.s.) have stated time and time again "Our enemies are not the Jews or the Christians, our enemy is our own ignorance" and that Muslims are to respect the Jews and the Christians (since Muslims used to be very discriminatory during that time, and the prophet made sure the Jews were allowed to freely practise their religion in Medina) and there are many accounts of interactions between the prophet and imams and people of different religions. Though not all Muslims listen obviously. However if you detach Muslims from Islam and just look at Islam - the teachings are to be tolerant. And Muslims are fallible humans and if they are discriminatory, close minded, racist or whatever that is a problem with the individuals, with the environment they grew up in, with how they were taught and the intolerance within the community, and it cannot just be blamed on the religion itself and there's no excuse for it. Either way we need to focus on teaching and educating the people within the Muslim community, which I am trying to do. Whenever I hear a Muslim speak negatively of someone else because of their religion/ race/ nationality I make sure to tell them what they are doing is wrong and explain to them how and why it's wrong, as I would with anyone else. I've noticed they've become much more tolerant. I encourage others to do the same. The only way we'll change it is if we acknowledge it. Again - my experience, not necessarily the same as anyone else's. Before people jump on me and say I'm dirtying the name of Islam -.-


I think we do a disservice to ourselves when we have information but refuse to base any of our thoughts or decisions on that information because we think it is wrong. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one.
The guy with the knuckle duster is a blatant closet case, we know what he wishes he was using his fists for, but his internalised homophobia won't let him, sad.
Original post by neal95
the liberal lefties will tell you to "wait until all the facts have come to light"


I'm genuinely concerned if we, as a society, have reached a point where it is a 'liberal leftie' thing to believe in innocent until proven guilty, and want to know what everything that happened before passing judgement. Surely we should strive to uncover and learn as much about an event as possible before making a judgement? Isn't that what justice and equality before the law is all about?
Original post by Kay_Winters
I'm genuinely concerned if we, as a society, have reached a point where it is a 'liberal leftie' thing to believe in innocent until proven guilty, and want to know what everything that happened before passing judgement. Surely we should strive to uncover and learn as much about an event as possible before making a judgement? Isn't that what justice and equality before the law is all about?


we dont judge, we make inferences and read between the lines. do due diligence, to borrow another legal term. past history is usually a good indicator of future conduct. i shudder when the day comes where crtiticism that is valid is not uttered for fear of causing offence.
Original post by z33
Also regarding 'shouting all this Muslim stuff' - what do they mean? Because Quranic verses aren't the only thing in Arabic, the guy could've been shouting "i love apples" in Arabic and that could sound like 'Muslim stuff' to non-Arabic speakers.
Just saying.

It doesn't excuse the crime tho, disgusting and vile just like all other hate crimes no matter the motivation. And I hope someone knuckledusts that guys jaw.


Why on earth would anyone shout 'I love apples' when smashing someone's face in? Yeah, because that makes sense
Original post by Anonymοοse
The guy with the knuckle duster is a blatant closet case, we know what he wishes he was using his fists for, but his internalised homophobia won't let him, sad.


This is hardly a gay-joke time, is it?
Original post by neal95
we dont judge, we make inferences and read between the lines. do due diligence, to borrow another legal term. past history is usually a good indicator of future conduct. i shudder when the day comes where crtiticism that is valid is not uttered for fear of causing offence.


We can make first impressions and infer from what we know, but the idea that it is a liberal leftie thing to
"wait until all the facts have come to light", to directly quote you is absurd, to want to wait till for final judgements, or before commenting at all until everything is laid before you is no socialist and/or libertarian idea
Reply 51
So many with an agenda here, every time a Muslim is involved or supposedly involved with a crime all the usual anti-Islam/Muslim bs comes out and takes over the thread, why should an entire religion be held accountable for the actions of one thug? Islam certainly has it's issues, no doubt about that, its attitudes towards homosexuality being a prominent issue, but as already said, there is nothing in Islam that condones attacking innocent people, gay or not.

I hope the attacker is harshly dealt with though, not just for the violence, but for the hatred as well, it has to be shown that this kind of hatred has absolutely no place in UK society, all gay couples should be able to hold hands or show affection towards each other in public just like any straight couple would, if anyone has a problem with that, then they probably shouldn't be visiting the 'gay' capital of Britain. But I certainly won't be joining in with the usual Muslim bashing because of the actions of one maniac out of millions, why do people respond to hate with hate? Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Original post by Grand High Witch
Ironic that you complain about "discrimination" in your first sentence, then go on to say "I personally don't like gay people".


My thoughts exactly.
Original post by Olie
So many with an agenda here, every time a Muslim is involved or supposedly involved with a crime all the usual anti-Islam/Muslim bs comes out and takes over the thread, why should an entire religion be held accountable for the actions of one thug? Islam certainly has it's issues, no doubt about that, its attitudes towards homosexuality being a prominent issue, but as already said, there is nothing in Islam that condones attacking innocent people, gay or not.

I hope the attacker is harshly dealt with though, not just for the violence, but for the hatred as well, it has to be shown that this kind of hatred has absolutely no place in UK society, all gay couples should be able to hold hands or show affection towards each other in public just like any straight couple would, if anyone has a problem with that, then they probably shouldn't be visiting the 'gay' capital of Britain. But I certainly won't be joining in with the usual Muslim bashing because of the actions of one maniac out of millions, why do people respond to hate with hate? Two wrongs don't make a right.


PRSOM.
Original post by Kay_Winters
We can make first impressions and infer from what we know, but the idea that it is a liberal leftie thing to
"wait until all the facts have come to light", to directly quote you is absurd, to want to wait till for final judgements, or before commenting at all until everything is laid before you is no socialist and/or libertarian idea


well your mob didnt stick to the principle "innocent until proven guilty" when kesha falsely accused dr luke of rape/sexual assault. when it suited your peoples agenda it was fine to dispense with that practice wasnt it. it was a witch hunt, with the feminsit mob joining forces with the SJW squad
Original post by GothicShield
Have some compassion instead of running towards the victim role, as a muslim myself this is just sad and awful.
Hope he makes a quick recovery

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If you are the good person you seem to be, why do you follow a religion that promotes this kind of thinking?
Reply 56
Original post by Zargabaath
Combat barbaric savagery with more barbaric savagery. You'd probably fit in with extremists much better then you'd like to.


What are you suggesting? He gets lousy prison sentence and then becomes free to do such things again? Get a grip.
Reply 57
Original post by Jebedee

Are women allowed to marry Jews?


No, because in Islam women and men are equal. And this is coming from someone whose biological father is a Muslim and mother is an atheist which just highlights the point.

Original post by z33
Women are not allowed to marry non-Muslims
Men are allowed to marry Jews, Christians and Muslims only, not people of non-Abrahamic religion.
Because apparently the child is more likely to take after the religion of the father, and that puts the woman at a disadvantage.
Dat inequality

However that's not what this thread is about...


True dat but this thread is already getting derailed so a bit more derailing won't do much damage.
Reply 58
Original post by Grand High Witch
Why would you even go to Brighton if you're a virulent homophobe?


Because those same homophobes tend to be homosexuals themselves hiding in a closet.
Reply 59
Original post by Kay_Winters
I'm genuinely concerned if we, as a society, have reached a point where it is a 'liberal leftie' thing to believe in innocent until proven guilty, and want to know what everything that happened before passing judgement. Surely we should strive to uncover and learn as much about an event as possible before making a judgement? Isn't that what justice and equality before the law is all about?


Oh please. If a rape victim came to you saying they've been raped would you also want to know the full details before passing judgement? Yes, there's a chance this wasn't due to a religious motive but 99% it was.

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