10 reasons to vote Leave

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Original post by 16characterlimit

Because the trade deals we negotiate would take ages, and would be far less favourable than if we were in.

So you admit we can't currently negotiate our trade deals, right? Right.
Maybe they would take ages, but we could actually have them.
We can't have less favourable trade deals than we currently have with China, the USA etc because we neither have the deals nor the ability to make them.

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The gains kinggg

Original post by 16characterlimit

Eurosceptics are worse than ISIS, they can seriously harm our country more than those pathetic loons.

really really hate immigrants.

HAHHAHHAHAH

If we vote out there will be a bubonic plague

The hate immigrants?
I love good ones

Reply 22

lolatmaths

Original post by iEthan

…right

Keep at it mate, the thug life chose you

Reply 23

username1862217

Original post by EuanF

A large economy (EU) has much more influence over trade deals than a tiny island (UK). Trade deals are all about money. The UK is in a much worse position to make trade deals than the EU is.

Reply 24

EuanF

Original post by 16characterlimit

The EU is a trade deal, and you'd but substituting it will lots of small s*** ones.

There's no reason we couldn't do better. Hell, along with Antarctica, Europe is the only continent not experiencing economic growth. We want to trade with the booming economies, not being stuck keeping a stagnant one on life support.

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EuanF

Original post by Keyhofi

A large economy (EU) has much more influence over trade deals than a tiny island (UK). Trade deals are all about money. The UK is in a much worse position to make trade deals than the EU is.

The UK is huge financially and economically through our previous historical success. We've got the City, all gold is traded by London standards etc etc

We aren't a little fish as the Project Fear guys would have you think. Have some pride in your nation.

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username1862217

Original post by EuanF

Europe is experiencing growth though?

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EuanF

Original post by The gains kinggg

HAHHAHHAHAH

If we vote out there will be a bubonic plague

The hate immigrants?
I love good ones

saw a cbi report that said england would sink back into the sea

scary stuff

Reply 28

Ladymusiclover

I feel like most of the British expats a.k.a emigrants are going to vote to stay in. I'm all for Brexit but I'm just worried about the economy if we leave.

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username1862217

Original post by EuanF

UK < EU in economy. End of story.

Reply 30

EuanF

Original post by Keyhofi

Europe is experiencing growth though?

Reply 31

username1862217

Original post by EuanF

But by itself Europe is indeed experiencing growth. You're just comparing it to others. And the UK will be part of Europe whether we leave the EU or not. They are our biggest trading partner. If anything we should be helping them. If the EU dies, the UK dies with it, regardless of it we left or not.

Reply 32

EuanF

Original post by Keyhofi

UK < EU in economy. End of story.

That's not a true statement though, 9/10 of the nations we had a trade surplus with last year were non-EU nations. Our biggest was in Switzerland!

We don't even need a trade deal with Europe, but they'll be desperate for one. They need to keep their goods flowing into the UK.

The EU's trade deals are only worth a tiny £5.23 trillion. Switzerland's are worth £29.2 trillion, Singapore's are £35.5 trillion and South Koreas are £45 trillion! Even if we include the EU's own internal market as if it was a trade deal, it's still only worth £18.14 trillion.

Reply 33

EuanF

Original post by 16characterlimit

Yes, there is a reason we couldn't do better, we have less influence out of the EU, we would be exposed to EU tariffs, which will 100% happen since that's the entire bloody point of it. USA would rather deal with EU as a whole than case by case basis, and we have weaker negotiating power. The EU managed to force George W Bush to back down on a steel tariff by retaliating with tariffs on marginal states for his election, you think they would give a **** if it was just us shouting at them across the sea? Not to mention it takes time to make these deals, why sever a perfectly good one. And all that sweet investment we get from Japanese car companies, Banks and tech companies? Yeah we can kiss that good bye.

FURTHERMORE, do you realise how damaging Brexit is for higher education? There's a reason unis are overwhelmingly pro Europe. Bye bye Erasmus, bye bye EU funding (only thing left thanks to Tories), bye bye science and technology collaboration.

Oh yeah and our farm subsidies would go too.

For one, you don't have to be in the EU to enjoy ESA and European sciences funding. Tens of countries outside the EU receive these bonuses.
Secondly, we have a net defecit to the EU. It doesn't matter if the subsidies go because they're subsidies payed for with our money!
Thirdly, we have a Special Relationship with the USA, and one of the leading presidential candidates is strongly in favour of Brexit.

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EuanF

Original post by 16characterlimit

The Trump supporter has spoken, I bow to your knowledge of "the deal" and your "best people".

What a cop out. Trump is literally one of only two viable presidential candidates. Of course, instead of actually arguing the point, you'd rather virtue signal and try and brand me as Nick Griffin in the flesh and strawman me. You may as well have conceded the argument right there and then.

Reply 35

inhuman

Original post by Alien Warrior

1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.

2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.

3. Freedom to control our national borders.

4. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.

5. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.

6. Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.

7. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.

8. Freedom to regenerate Britain’s fisheries.

9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.

10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.

p.s far left liberal young people: you are not racist if you vote leave.

You do realize that freedom to do all of these things does not imply that they will happen?

E.g. the first one it will for sure not happen. The EU as a negotiator has much more bargaining power than the UK alone.

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EuanF

Original post by inhuman

Which is why it has a puny £5 trilion in trade deals, right? That the lone voice of Switzerland outside the EU which has trade deals worth £29 trillion? Nah, the EU has more bargaining power.

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username1862217

Original post by EuanF

Which is why it has a puny £5 trilion in trade deals, right? That the lone voice of Switzerland outside the EU which has trade deals worth £29 trillion? Nah, the EU has more bargaining power.

http://news.cbi.org.uk/business-issues/uk-and-the-european-union/eu-business-facts/10-facts-about-eu-trade-deals-pdf/

Game over.

Reply 38

EuanF

Original post by 16characterlimit

Fine ill argue your point, even though you haven't countered mine. Though I hope you realise that Trump is a complete ****ing bonehead.

Yes, we pay money, but we get more out of it, because believe it or not other countries pay too. The special relationship is rubbish, its in name only, and is for international security when it is (very occasionally) used for mutual benefit rather than turning us into the USA's blunt foreign policy tool, let alone trade. And being in the EU gives us more science funding, we are the second largest beneficiary

https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/uk-research-and-european-union/how-much-funding-does-uk-get-in-comparison-with-other-countries/

Yes, other countries pay in, but we are a net "contributor". You will not find a source denying this unless it is literally telling lies. We send more money off to the EU than we at any point receive from it in funding.

"The body which awards funding for scientific research within the EU is called the European Research Council. Under the Horizon 2020 programme, the EU allocates a certain amount of its annual budget (about €80 billion) to organisations that promote innovation. The UK receives a truly minuscule proportion of this money: about €240 million euro p.a. (or £190 million at current exchange rates). Compare this to the roughly £6 billion that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills has allocated to domestic science this year. A 2013 report from the Royal Society showed that only about 3% of British research and development funding comes from EU programmes. Any loss of funding suffered by UK science after a Brexit would be very small.Ultimately however, there need not be any loss of funding at all. The UK is a net contributor to the EU budget; we pay around £13 billion a year and receive £4.5 billion back, which means we lose about £8.5 billion. Exactly how much money we would save in the event of leaving the EU depends on the outcome of negotiations (whether we choose to leave the EEA, to opt in to certain EU programmes such Europol etc.), but it is likely to be a significant proportion of the £8.5 billion, and would certainly be enough to allow us to plug a tiny £190 million hole in scientific R&D funding."

Reply 39

EuanF

Original post by Keyhofi

http://news.cbi.org.uk/business-issues/uk-and-the-european-union/eu-business-facts/10-facts-about-eu-trade-deals-pdf/

Game over.

Ah yes, the ever reliable EU funded CBI.
Are you disbuting the facts stated about the trade deal worths?
Also, I love how that source tries to imply that the Commonwealth wouldn't want to trade with us :biggrin: