Questions about shia-ism

shia > sunni
thats all you have to know

The sunni belief is that Allah (SWT) is above the heavens and descends to the lowest heaven every night, when one-third of the night is left.
We also believe that Allah has two feet, hands etc. however they do not resemble the normal human attributes but rather they are in a form which only befits Allah (SWT).

Yes I agree that we disagree. But do your research as far as your first paragraph is concerned, look into the tawheed and aqeedah of Ahle sunnah wal jamaah inshallah it's the only branch of islam which is on the right theology by being on the way of the Prophet SAW.

The problem is like you said that our sources of information are different. I wonder if any of the Shia sources on the sahaba can be proven authentic with a direct chain to the Prophet. They are fabricated, to the point that they go against the Quran.

What is mutah, it has no basis in islam yet shia practises it,Yes I know some of the evidences the shias try to bring forward to legalise such fornication in disuigse, but the evidences are fabricated it is a creation of the shias of a way to furfill their desires the illegal way and fabricated narrations (Fabricated narrations are a lie against the Prophet SAW which is a grave sin within it self) satisfy the masses as they follow blindly without looking for the evidences. Many shias have cut their links to shiaism once they look into sunni theology from the sunni scholars themself instead of being preached about them in their mosques where innovated practises take place.

uwotm8
what do you think angels are for?

Also Allah has two hands and feet and a body now? Are you okay? Does He only absorb/ reflect UV radiation now is that why we don't see His body? Astaghfirullah...
Do you think if someone says they "ruled with an iron fist" it means they actually have hands made of iron? Ever heard of metaphors? My God...

uwotm8
what do you think angels are for?

Also Allah has two hands and feet and a body now? Are you okay? Does He only absorb/ reflect UV radiation now is that why we don't see His body? Astaghfirullah...
Do you think if someone says they "ruled with an iron fist" it means they actually have hands made of iron? Ever heard of metaphors? My God...

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If you're gonna reply with that tone and attitude then I'd rather not waste my time educating your ignorant self.

Come on, this is not a respectful way to discuss such an issue or talk to the sister with.

My apologies for that rude tone by the other member. I will address your post later inshAllah. Hopefully we can understand each others positions better by the end of the dialouge.

What does this mean?

It was an immature comment by the user, best to ignore it.

I have sunni family members. I've spent years researching the issue of Tawheed. I'd like to ask you a few questions here dear brother

1. Do you believe Allah swt can be described by direction and relativity , in that, he is above his throne, above the seventh heaven?
2. Do you believe Allah swt ascends or descends - either to rise above something, or to descend ?
3. Do you believe Allah swt is comprised and composed of constituent subunits, in that, he has hands, feet, a shin, but these parts are not like our hands, feet, and shin, but he is still comprised of different parts?
4. Do you believe has has a form, that can be comprehended in the akhirah?




We actually do have such chains. But if you look at it in a different way, our chains go to people like Jaffer as sadiq a.s, Muhammed al baqir a.s, Ali ibn Abi Talib a.s, who are considered great scholars and ***aha by people like ibn taymiyyah. Infact, the ahlulbayt which our hadiths go through as per sunni rijal standards are considered the golden chain. Ali a.s, Hasan, Hussain a.s, Zain al Abideen a.s, Muhammed Al Baqir a.s, Jaffer as Sadiq a.s etc, all thiqa, all considered great ***aha.

But the difference is that you do not regard our chains going to the ahlulbayt as trustworthy. This is a rijal issue. Simply stating they are fabricated is really, with all due respect, just stating something is without bringing evidence.



What if i told you companions of Rasullah s.a.w, the ones that narrated among the most hadith used to practise Mutah' and considred it halal even after the death of Rasullah s.a.w And not only that, even practised it after the death of Rasullah s.a.w You would sort of expect companions who are the closest to him to realize he had banned it , right ? I'd understand if an unknown sahaba somewhere in the far west , thousands of miles from rasullah s.a.w did not hear the prohibition, but what about men like ibn Abbas r.a, or Jabir ibn abdillah r.a who have narrated thousands of hadiths from him and are in the top ten of hadith narrators.

Would you tell me i'm a liar?

Sorry I shouldn't have said that, what I really meant was: Saudi's are insolent bigots

uwotm8
what do you think angels are for?

Also Allah has two hands and feet and a body now? Are you okay? Does He only absorb/ reflect UV radiation now is that why we don't see His body? Astaghfirullah...
Do you think if someone says they "ruled with an iron fist" it means they actually have hands made of iron? Ever heard of metaphors? My God...

i was educating u m8

Okay sorry I didn't mean to offend you so much, but I did wanna put the point of metaphors across. Educate me with why you believe it in a literal and not metaphorical sense?



Alright I apologised, it's just the first time I've ever heard someone give a physical form to Allah and I thought that was haraam to do that (as taught in Islamic school and by parents) so I thought it was very strange but then Googled it and seems like a lot of people believe in it so might've seemed a lil ignorant but now am intrigued.

I also don't see why you think you're in the position to "educate" anyone. Did you even include any sources/evidence to back up your comment?

Brother, there are no authentic hadits on mutah. However there are many hadiths talking against fornication (Any kind of intimacy outside the legal Islamic marriage). By spreading such false information you are doing a grave sin.

As far as Tawheed is concerned, Whichever way Allah describes himself in the Quran is sufficient for me at the moment , I do not interpret those verses nor do I have the right, I take them at face value as it's the safest thing to do for me right now, once I pursue more knowledge inshallah I will be able to give better answers to such questions. Allah the almighty and exalted is beyond comprehension.

And Allah knows best.

It was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1406.


Are those not authentic?

Come on, this is not a respectful way to discuss such an issue or talk to the sister with.



My apologies for that rude tone by the other member. I will address your post later inshAllah. Hopefully we can understand each others positions better by the end of the dialouge.

i was educating u m8

Okay sorry I didn't mean to offend you so much, but I did wanna put the point of metaphors across. Educate me with why you believe it in a literal and not metaphorical sense?



Alright I apologised, it's just the first time I've ever heard someone give a physical form to Allah and I thought that was haraam to do that (as taught in Islamic school and by parents) so I thought it was very strange but then Googled it and seems like a lot of people believe in it so might've seemed a lil ignorant but now am intrigued.

I think he meant no authentic hadiths allowing muta'ah

This was really uncalled for.

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
Ahl as-Sunnah unanimously agreed on affirming and believing in all the divine attributes mentioned in the Qur’an and Sunnah, and understanding them in a true sense (as they appear to be), not as being metaphorical. But they do not discuss how any of them are. As for the innovators, Jahamis and Mu‘tazilah, and the Khaarijis, all of them deny them and do not understand any of them in a true sense (as they appear to be).

[at-Tamheed, 7/145]

And from islamqa:
The one who denies the names and attributes of Allah altogether and does not ascribe them to Allah, may He be exalted, as is the case with the baatinis (esoteric sects) and the extreme Jahamis, is a kaafir who is beyond the pale of Islam, disbelieves in the Qur’an and Sunnah, and goes against the consensus (ijmaa‘) of the ummah... With regard to the one who misinterprets any of the attributes of Allah and distorts its meaning, such as those who misinterpret the attribute of the hand as referring to His power, and they say that istiwa’ (rising over the Throne) means taking control of it, and so on, he is mistaken in interpreting it in a manner other than the apparent meaning, and he is an innovator in so far as what he believes is contrary to the Sunnah, and he has strayed from the path of Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah. But he is not a disbeliever just because of this misinterpretation, and he may be excused for his efforts to understand, depending on his level of knowledge and faith.

Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It is not permissible to misinterpret the divine attributes or to understand them in any way other than their apparent meaning in a manner that is befitting to Allah, or to say that knowledge of what is meant belongs only to Allah. Rather all of that comes under the heading of the beliefs of the innovators. As for Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah, they do not misinterpret the verses and hadeeths that speak of the divine attributes, and they do not understand them in a way other than the apparent meaning, and they do not say that knowledge of what is meant belongs only to Allah. Rather they believe that every meaning (of these attributes) that may be indicated is true in a manner that is befitting to Allah, may He be exalted, without likening Him to His creation.

End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa Ibn Baaz, 2/106-107

Islamqa also states that the niqaab is obligatory in Islam, that parents or husbands are to force their daughters/ wives to wear the hijab even tho "there is no compulsion in religion" - so I'm not taking their word for anything

Ibn Baz was a wahabi extremist Muslim so also had very strong very conservative beliefs on everything and sees the prophets family as kuffaar and took everything in a literal sense.

Mohammad Ibn Ubaidah questioned Imam Ridha [as] - successor to the prophet not any random guy - on the subject of Allah having a hand (Referencing Surah Saad Ayat 75), who [as] replied saying:"With my own hands: in this verse us purported to mean "with my potency and power."Tawheed by Al Sadooq page 153-154

It is a husband/father's duty to guide his wife/daughter and ensure she is following her religion. Hijab is compulsory in Islam.

He wasn't an "extremist". Please provide evidence for what you're asserting. When has he said the Prophet's family are kuffar?

I'm not going to continue arguing. People provide you with evidence and you reject each one. I also assume you're Shia, correct me if I'm wrong, so it's not surprising we disagree on this. I was simply informing you of the views Sunnis have in regards to this. It was the teaching of the Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah.