Questions about shia-ism

The shia position of the companions is the same as the Qurans position. There are many we love, and revere. Many we do not hold in as high regard, but respect. Many we do not pass comment on, due to lack of knowledge or we leave judgement to Allah swt. And then there are those who we believe disobeyed the noble messenger , Muhammed s.a.w, and Allah swt, and his ahlulbayt a.s and the loyal among the sahaba r.a.

We view the Sahaba as human beings, and not just that, we view them as what you naturally would find in any large community of humans, from the previous prophets, to muslims of the latter day. Among them gems, among them good people, among them people of mixed character, among them people who became disloyal, etc.

If you look at the top ten hadith narrators in sunni schools of thought, you will find jabir ibn abdillah r.a, abu sai'd al khudri r.a, ibn abbas r.a, abdullad ibn masud r.a, who narrated an enormous bulk of the sunni hadiths we find in existence. These key companions are respected and or revered by shia's. Though we sometimes affirm false things were attributed to them.

We love and revere many many more companions, one of them is Muhammed ibn Abu Bakr, the son of the caliph, Abu Bakr. Shia's revere and love him for his loyalty to treading on the path and the sunnah , and for his loyalty to Ali ibn Abi Talib a.s. Though we have disagreements with actions commited by his father, we have enormous love and respect for him.

In terms of Umulmumineen Aisha, i'll create another post and explain our differences there.

But just to summarise my points , if i may:

In a sense, shia's do not hate the sahaba, because the sahaba are not one body or homogenous group, where one sahaba speaks for all, or one acts for all. They were a community of human beings. We agree with many, and we disagree with others.

We also do not hate the wives, because the wives are not one body. We respect ones like Lady Khadija r.a, Umm Salama r.a, Umm Sauda r.a, and many other wives of his.

Our position on them is purely by virtue of sources we deem reliable, introspection, analysis, and pursuit of the true sunnah of Muhammed s.a.w, and ascertaining who we can trust, and who we must pause and investigate further on.

You will find that many sunni brothers/sisters class hadrath Abu Talib r.a as a kaffir, and make takfir upon him, and consider a narrations stating that he will be in hellfire as authentic.

Shai's absolutely disagree with that, as do a minority of sunni's, who deem him to not only be a muslim, but one of the closest helpers of Rasullah s.a.w, who gave everything for him and without him, Islam would not have made it through the dark early days.

You're not going to find me calling those muslims i have a historical dispute with as kaffirs though. Or trying to stir up fitnah on the I-Soc.

I'm not referring to ibn fulaan here, who hasn't done that, and has used the proper means and addressed it here nor al farhan(who showed good character by making this thread and avoiding discord on the I SOC). I am ofcourse, referring to other users i won't name, who unfortunately i remember as being tolerant once. I have to say this incase people think i am referring to them.

I understand the meaning, just wanted some context

Who's considered infallible to shias?

Respectfully, simply because 90% of Muslims are indeed sunni isn't exactly a logical reason to become a sunni.

Also, although the main theology doesn't allow disrespect of noble companions, one only has to look at Sunni hadith to see problems that arrised. For instance, Battle of Jamal, Incident of Paper and Pen before the death of the Prophet etc

If they want to name it than they can, however perhaps many stick with names of the Prophet and his Ahlulbayt.

We revere, respect and following the footsteps of ahlul bayt including the blessed wives of the prophet pbuh, Ali karam Allahu wajhah, and the masters of the youth of heaven. We also respect all the great companions including the 4 caliphs.

Thanks for the in depth knowledge,but what's the deal with Aisha?

What does Ali Karam Allahu Wajhah mean?

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Dude go back to revision

Good advise brother, inshAllah i'll thank you for it after exams. These discussions are very interesting, and i am looking forward to dedicate more time once exams are over.

You're not going to find me calling those muslims i have a historical dispute with as kaffirs though. Or trying to stir up fitnah on the I-Soc.

I'm not referring to ibn fulaan here, who hasn't done that, and has used the proper means and addressed it here nor al farhan(who showed good character by making this thread and avoiding discord on the I SOC). I am ofcourse, referring to other users i won't name, who unfortunately i remember as being tolerant once. I have to say this incase people think i am referring to them.

Shia muslim here, no issue with the Niqab. Women ought to be allowed to wear it. I am against the banning of the Niqab. While one can't force, it definitely ought to be encouraged. Hijab is utterly important.

IslamQa i differ with. In terms of ahlus-sunnah, i tend to prefer more of the Hamzah Yusuf brand of ahlus-sunnah. IslamQa, with the utmost respect intended here, alligns more with the salafi tradition.

I've seen Maliki's clash with the intepretation of sadl from Islam QA, as well as clashes with regards to the attributes of Allah swt, among many other issues.

You can say my name btw.

Do you wish to know why a person's views mightve changed?

I don't mind you being passionate about your theology, but i'm dissapointed by how you've gone about things brother.

You could adopt the method where you profoundly disagree but seek for the greater peace of this Ummah.To try to as and where possible, reduce tensions, discord, and such things.

Just think about the lives that can be saved by that.

They mean that those imams did not sin in their lifetime.

Guys, i would love to engage with you all in the other points raised on here, and i really want to. But i'm going to have to headback to revise.

Wait, what?? How can they be sinless are they not humans....they are not even prophets soo why?