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Workers from Eastern and Southern Europe are pulling wages down

As well as workers from the third world.

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Surprised nobody has yet come to deny basic economics using misleading studies

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Obviously true. Even the head of the Remain campaign admits this because you'd have to be uneducated to deny it. The question is whether or not this is better in the bigger picture. Lower wages is great for big business and rich people in general. You'll never hear Labourites speak of this because most of them despise the working class because most of them see through them and their crap (fullofsuprises is a perfect example of someone like this) but for me as a non-Labour/non social justice warrior Remain supporter it's an issue which needs to he addressed.

For me it's one of the downsides of remaining in the EU. The EU must address this instead of just dismissing everyone who is affected as a piece of crap on the bottom of their shoes (or ignorant racists....inaccurately) like a lot of people do.
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Original post by Jammy Duel
Surprised nobody has yet come to deny basic economics using misleading studies

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Maybe you can try?!
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So what you're saying is you enjoy being ripped off by a builder or plumber as long as they're British?
Original post by M14B
Maybe you can try?!


Given that I am not stupid enough to not agree with the conclusion of the aforementioned studies, no thanks.

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That's good for companies. The costs of products decrease. If you really want more money, just get more jobs. Or just get your ass out of the country. Oh...you can sue your boss too. That's what lazy employees like to do. Good luck!

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Whether or not they do, I'm surprised that people think that the Boris wing of the Conservatives will curb immigration even if we leave.

The Tories are very pro business, especially the right wing of it and immigration is good for business.
Labour are too scared to cut immigration for fear of being seen as bigoted.

Either way it won't be cut. Heck Gove even said a few weeks ago immigration could be increased in the short term if we leave in order to offset the financial effects.
The conservatives are just as lax as labour about immigration, only labour are open about it.
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They are so much better than ours. You get ex doctors coming from a lot of those places whereas our min wage lot are generally single mothers with bad skin and other undesirables.
Simple solution. Introduce a mandatory minimum wage of £8.25 an hour (or £9.40 an hour in London).

Then it will stop cheap labour undercutting British workers.

http://www.livingwage.org.uk/what-living-wage
Original post by MagicNMedicine
Simple solution. Introduce a mandatory minimum wage of £8.25 an hour (or £9.40 an hour in London).

Then it will stop cheap labour undercutting British workers.

http://www.livingwage.org.uk/what-living-wage


You still get wage suppression though, there are unskilled or semi skilled labourers earning more than nmw you know? Then on top of that you get even more coming in the first place

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Those coming from Eastern and Southern Europe tend to go for the unskilled/less skilled jobs so it's only a portion of the jobs which face wage competition. British people generally refuse to do a lot of those jobs since they can have an easier time on benefits so who exactly are they pulling the jobs down for?
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[QUOTE="Zerforax;65039449"]Those coming from Eastern and Southern Europe tend to go for the unskilled/less skilled jobs so it's only a portion of the jobs which face wage competition. British people generally refuse to do a lot of those jobs since they can have an easier time on benefits so who exactly are they pulling the jobs down for?[/QUOTE

They refuse to do the jobs because the minimum wage is less than the living wage.
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Original post by ohgeez
So what you're saying is you enjoy being ripped off by a builder or plumber as long as they're British?


I don't mind paying self-employed people properly - it is the Government and corporations I don't want to pay. I don't want to give them any money at all.
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Original post by Zerforax
Those coming from Eastern and Southern Europe tend to go for the unskilled/less skilled jobs so it's only a portion of the jobs which face wage competition. British people generally refuse to do a lot of those jobs since they can have an easier time on benefits so who exactly are they pulling the jobs down for?[/QUOTE

They refuse to do the jobs because the minimum wage is less than the living wage.


And they believe they need the living wage because they believe creature comforts to be necessities. Last o checked the minimum wage is more than benefits alone for the majority

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Original post by skunkboy
That's good for companies. The costs of products decrease. If you really want more money, just get more jobs. Or just get your ass out of the country. Oh...you can sue your boss too. That's what lazy employees like to do. Good luck!

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Owners of corporations take half the revenue and give the other half to the 100 000 people who work for them. How do they get away with this in a modern age where the destitute are no longer executed? By bringing people in from outside who come from countries where the currency exchange rate is such that it is well worth their while to work for the minimum wage. I thought everybody knew that.
Original post by MagicNMedicine
Simple solution. Introduce a mandatory minimum wage of £8.25 an hour (or £9.40 an hour in London).

Then it will stop cheap labour undercutting British workers.

http://www.livingwage.org.uk/what-living-wage


are you stupid bruv, unemployment will rise bare fast
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Original post by maybuds


And they believe they need the living wage because they believe creature comforts to be necessities. Last o checked the minimum wage is more than benefits alone for the majority

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Creature comforts? Do you mean, like food?
http://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/how-small-small-impact-immigration-uk-wages#.V0GOZpMrKt8

''In other words, the research confirms what we already thought. Immigration may have some, small, negative impact on wages for some low-paid workers. But the idea that immigration is the main or even a moderately important driver of low pay is simply not supported by the available evidence. Politicians who claim the contrary are either so obsessed with immigration that they are blind to more important issues - or they are merely trying to divert attention from their failure to propose policy measures that would actually make a meaningful difference to the low paid.''

Word. the effect is so small you man cant say dat theyre a major factor. Even the Economist dont say that stuff. Talk about economics.
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Creature comforts? Do you mean, like food?


Smartphones, sky subscriptions, cars, fancier food, alcohol, tobacco etc. How little do you think somebody can healthily live on after rent with a phone and Internet access?

The living wage is not what you need to live, it's what you need to live with creature comforts, even the LWF admit that IIRC

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