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What is Conservatism taken to its most extreme?

similarBlank

Assuming Communism is Liberalism at its most extreme and Anarchism is Libertarianism taken to its most extreme, etc.

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Reply 1

ODES_PDES

I would love to say it but I do not wish to be banned from this site

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username1230881

Original post by similarBlank

Assuming Communism is Liberalism at its most extreme and Anarchism is Libertarianism taken to its most extreme, etc.

In everyday politics, I'd say the Tea Party is probably the closest thing - so conservative that even Republicans like Paul Ryan look 'moderate'. I'm not sure what the absolute extreme would be though.

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username1862217

Nazism is the extreme of the right wing.

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similarBlank

Original post by Keyhofi

Nazism is the extreme of the right wing.

Would it be more accurate to say Facism is the extreme of Conservatism?

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username1862217

Original post by similarBlank

Would it be more accurate to say Facism is the extreme of Conservatism?

Perhaps, but nazism is easier word to spell and is quickly understood by those who have never come across it before.

Feudalism?

Original post by similarBlank

Assuming Communism is Liberalism at its most extreme and Anarchism is Libertarianism taken to its most extreme, etc.

You couldn't be more confused about ideology,

Libertarianism is liberalism taken to its most extreme (which is why classical liberals identify as libertarians)

Fascism is revolutionary and rejects conservatism (which is why most conservatives were anti fascists)

Communism is socialism taken to its most extreme (which is why moderates are called social democrats and reformers, or social-ists, e.g Clement Attlee, a socialist but not a communist)

There is no anarchism taken to its extreme, anarchism is a naturally extreme position.

Conservatism taken to its extreme would be absolutely no change whatsoever. Reactionary conservatism would depend on the country, in this country most conservatives would be liberal imperialists supporting a mixed constitution, rule of law and empire, possibly with imperial preference instead of free trade.

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DanteTheDoorWot

Original post by similarBlank

Would it be more accurate to say Facism is the extreme of Conservatism?

NO

Most conservatives (even in Germany) even the non-liberal kind were anti-fascists, any extreme change (which is what fascism requires) is against conservatism.

Conservative is not an ideology but a temperament, most people who are conservatives in this country are ideologically liberals.

Reactionaries look to the past and try to revert society to its previous state, despite popular belief fascism rejects this, which is why fascism often rejects religion and monarchy.

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DanteTheDoorWot

Original post by Davij038

Feudalism?

I can see why you might think that but many conservatives accepted capitalism when it developed. I think feudalism is about as far away from conservative you could be since it would require a total change in the way society operates.

It really depends on the country, but in this country most conservatives are liberal, at the very least you can say almost every single Tory supports a mixed constitution with the monarchy accountable to parliament.

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Original post by madl24903

Lol. American conservatism is retarded and only the most awful Thatcher supporters have sympathy for it

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Jammy Duel

It depends what exactly you're talking about when you say Conservatism, given the socialism example in the OP I would assume when you say Conservatism you mean Capitalism, in which case taken to it's extreme and thus its purest form (that we have conceived) would be objectivism.

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DanteTheDoorWot

Original post by Jammy Duel

Extreme capitalism without any regulation? I think ideologically objectivism, practically such conditions couldn't possibly exist.

If we're talking purely American conservatism (why? this is a British forum) it's a different beast, it's predominately Protestant (like the UK) but more evangelical, dogmatic support for free market and some kind of messed up quasi religious social policies (still can't work out if they're for social security or not?).

US conservatives don't really understand tradition or monarchy either

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L i b

Original post by similarBlank

Assuming Communism is Liberalism at its most extreme and Anarchism is Libertarianism taken to its most extreme, etc.

I'm not entirely sure Communism has anything to do with Liberalism. The totalitarian dictatorships of the east are the antithesis of Liberalism.

Original post by similarBlank

Would it be more accurate to say Facism is the extreme of Conservatism?

No, because fascism requires radical upheaval of the state - which is quite clearly not what Conservatism is about. Conservatism is inherently moderate, it doesn't have an "extreme" - barring possibly doing absolutely nothing at all.

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DanteTheDoorWot

Original post by L i b

I'm not entirely sure Communism has anything to do with Liberalism. The totalitarian dictatorships of the east are the antithesis of Liberalism.

No, because fascism requires radical upheaval of the state - which is quite clearly not what Conservatism is about. Conservatism is inherently moderate, it doesn't have an "extreme" - barring possibly doing absolutely nothing at all.

Agreed, I think he was speaking of the American variant but even this makes no sense, most moderate liberals in America were against Communism, and the idea that fascism is the extreme of American Conservatism is very silly.

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Withengar

Original post by Keyhofi

Perhaps, but nazism is easier word to spell and is quickly understood by those who have never come across it before.

What in the world are you talking about?

It's just calling a hamburger a "Big Mac", as in that you're referring to a general term in a specific designation. Think of it like this - every extreme right movement is fascist, but not every fascist movement is also a Nazi movement. If you're honestly too challenged and simple to be worried how to spell "fascism" or what is easier to remember then you should rather not talk about it.

Reply 17

BasicMistake

People are confusing economic stances with social ones.

Original post by similarBlank

Assuming Communism is Liberalism at its most extreme and Anarchism is Libertarianism taken to its most extreme, etc.

Communism is the view that the state controls all economic activity. Liberalism is about freedom both socially and economically.

An extreme version of Conservatism is difficult to imagine. Maybe a hyper-reactionary type of government?

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DanteTheDoorWot

Original post by Withengar

Key difference is Italian fascism thought Aryanism was ridiculous, and with good reason considering the state of Rome when Europe were a bunch of barbarians.

Reply 19

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by Davij038

Feudalism?

Hunter gatherer?

Oddly primitivism is generally a left wing ideology when applies to politics :holmes:

I think of left and right in terms of attitude to hierarchy (which itself is the result of thinking in a left libertarian way). Left wing identifies hierarchies and wants to get rid or at least reduce them. Right wing either denies the existence of said hierarchy, thinks the hierarchy is good/neccecery or that trying to change it would cause more damage than good.

For example primitivism anarchist want human societies to go back to how they were when were all hunter gatherers. They think the development of agriculture and civilisation that lead from that created obscene levels of unjust hierarchy in humanity. So they want to go back.

I agree with there being lots of unjust hierarchies coming out of agriculture, feudalism, capitalism and so on. But I don't think going back is the answer.

Which one of us is the conservative and on the right? Through a anarcho-primitivism lens I am the conservative since I am upholding/defending a set of hierarchies.

I would say I am left wing however because I want to steer machine production and division of labour in ways that gives us more of out "natural" humanity back and undermine a whole load of hierarchies that exist due to all the economic and social development (often called progress) humanity has gone through.

The radical working class in the Russian revolution such as the Kronstadt sailors wanting to overthrow the Marxist-Leninist regime. Who is left/right here? The Bolsheviks are trying to steer the world to communism, yet they are defending the hierarchies in the newly created Soviet union that the sailors are protesting against and want rid of in the place of what they see as real socialist democracy. I'd argue the lenninists are the reactionary right wing and the sailors are the left wing in this situation.

Depends what philosophical lens you view things through. Which is why the mindless left/right terminology without contexts is makes it harder to understand what people think rather than help. There is no fixed absolute centre ground with which to label how left/right a political force is.