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Edexcel AS Economics (New Spec) Unit 2 - 23rd May 2016

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Original post by Diastal
Wait, you get extra time if you have bad handwriting??


Well you're supposed to get a word processor.… I'm not entirely sure why I have it but I know I need it if I'm to have a fair chance so I'm not gonna ask or complain lol
Reply 501
Original post by Kantth
Na did OCR. According to our head of maths it was the hardest paper since 2004 and i think thats when the spec started 😂


Wow… had you done OCR MEI it would've been the easiest paper lol
Original post by rosemondtan
On the contrary, when there is deflation, consumers will delay consumption as goods will get cheaper gradually so as utility maximising consumers, they will keep waiting for prices to fall even more. Therefore, consumption should rightfully fall.


exactly what I was about to say
Original post by zayn008
Wow… had you done OCR MEI it would've been the easiest paper lol


Are you joking?
I do MEI, that was definitely not the easiest C1!
I still found it relatively easy, but still not the easiest
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Original post by harryleavey
exactly what I was about to say



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Original post by CosimaNiehaus
For the 15 maker I'm not too sure if what I said makes sense. I said that if there is deflation in the UK then consumers are more likely to spend in the domestic economy, as prices will be cheaper, than abroad as imports will seem more expensive. This will increase consumption and shift AD right, so deflation could sort itself out. But then I said that the MPC should be worried as if they are unable to control interest rates, then they are unable to combat deflation as they can't shift AD right this was, as this is one of their main policies. To conclude I said that they should only be worried if they cannot control interest rates.Also for the 6 marker on 2 reasons on controlling inflation or somthing like that I said that they cannot lower interest rates anymore and so cannot control AD and that the costs of production are reduced so SRAS would shift right and deflation would occurDo any of these point make sense??


Prices are not cheaper.

If all prices in the UK economy decrease (including everyone's wages) consumers do not find that anything is 'cheaper' in the sense you have described.
However foreign consumers will find that buying UK goods are cheaper, as long as their currency is not also deflating.

It's not that the MPC will be unable to control interest rates. They can control interest rates as much as they want (unless you are discussing the fact that the base rate may not cause high street interest rates to fall due to low bank confidence and financial health?). The issue is that once they make interest rates 0% (or 0.5% in extract), there is not much more they can do (besides QE). A liquidity trap is faced.

And your point about interest and AS is not economically correct.
Interest rates are a form of monetary policy. And therefore are demand-side only. I also, don't quite understand your reasoning behind deflation causing costs of production to be reduced? (Unless you are referring to depreciation of the exchange rate?)
(Although interest rates may affect investment, and investment affects AS we do not say that interest rates cause AS to shift - Also investment affects LRAS, not Short)

I hope this helps. Sorry that I have just ripped apart your analysis :redface:
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Jhez that exam was alright but I messed up the first and probably the second definition question lol...
Original post by harryleavey
Prices are not cheaper.

If all prices in the UK economy decrease (including everyone's wages) consumers do not find that anything is 'cheaper' in the sense you have described.
However foreign consumers will find that buying UK goods are cheaper, as long as their currency is not also deflating.

It's not that the MPC will be unable to control interest rates. They can control interest rates as much as they want (unless you are discussing the fact that the base rate may not cause high street interest rates to fall due to low bank confidence and financial health?). The issue is that once they make interest rates 0% (or 0.5% in extract), there is not much more they can do (besides QE). A liquidity trap is faced.

And your point about interest and AS is not economically correct.
Interest rates are a form of monetary policy. And therefore are demand-side only. I also, don't quite understand your reasoning behind deflation causing costs of production to be reduced? (Unless you are referring to depreciation of the exchange rate?)
(Although interest rates may affect investment, and investment affects AS we do not say that interest rates cause AS to shift - Also investment affects LRAS, not Short)

I hope this helps. Sorry that I have just ripped apart your analysis :redface:


Costs of production are a determinant of SRAS right? That's why I shifted it right if those costs got cheaper.
Original post by rosemondtan
On the contrary, when there is deflation, consumers will delay consumption as goods will get cheaper gradually so as utility maximising consumers, they will keep waiting for prices to fall even more. Therefore, consumption should rightfully fall.


Yeah i realised i mucked that part up, but I just thought that it would decrease imports and that people would still be more likely to buy in the UK than abroad, so consumption and less imports could cause an AD shift? I know it's not entirely correct, just theorising. Does the other point about interest rates make sense?
Original post by CosimaNiehaus
Costs of production are a determinant of SRAS right? That's why I shifted it right if those costs got cheaper.


What was your reason for costs of production falling?
If your reason was to do with interest rates, then the analysis is kinda weak.
Interest rates are demand side only. So only affect AD.
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[QUOTE=harryleavey;65095991]What was your reason for costs of production falling?
If your reason was to do with interest rates, then the analysis is kinda weak.
Interest rates are demand side only. So only affect AD.

Oh yeah that reminds me. I know this may be a stupid question, but since supply side policies are "supply side", does that mean it can only affect supply? I mean I know government spending on education or training programs is a supply side policy, but since government spending is a component of AD, would that also increase AD? Or does it depend on the amount spent? Since government spending isn't as significant as other components of AD, so a small amount wouldn't really have much effect?
Original post by Diastal
Oh yeah that reminds me. I know this may be a stupid question, but since supply side policies are "supply side", does that mean it can only affect supply? I mean I know government spending on education or training programs is a supply side policy, but since government spending is a component of AD, would that also increase AD? Or does it depend on the amount spent? Since government spending isn't as significant as other components of AD, so a small amount wouldn't really have much effect?


Yes, in some cases, things can affect both AS and AD.
Your example of government spending is a good example.

In fact, government spending will definitely affect AD as it is a component.*
Although Government spending may be ineffective in stimulating AS - especially in the short run.
*(Also consider the multiplier: even though government spending is only about 20% of AD, multiplier effects mean that the rise in AD is much more significant).

A small amount of government spending would obviously affect the amount that AD changes, but it would also affect the amount that AS changes (amongst many other factors)
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Original post by harryleavey
Are you joking?
I do MEI, that was definitely not the easiest C1!
I still found it relatively easy, but still not the easiest


Well… I guess it wasn't as easy as 2015 but compared to most papers it was pretty neat, nothing on proofs :smile: 2 nice graph questions, a polynomial and discriminat question worth 5 marks… certainly a doable paper with top marks but you're right, I've seen easier papers
Reply 513
Original post by Diastal
Oh yeah that reminds me. I know this may be a stupid question, but since supply side policies are "supply side", does that mean it can only affect supply? I mean I know government spending on education or training programs is a supply side policy, but since government spending is a component of AD, would that also increase AD? Or does it depend on the amount spent? Since government spending isn't as significant as other components of AD, so a small amount wouldn't really have much effect?


Governments can buy things just like consumers can, which can increase the demand for goods and services in the economy which is why it's a component of AD, equally as important as the others but not as high value of investment and Consumption, so if governments are demanding goods and services for Cross Rail there's higher aggregate demand but also long run aggregate supply, other than that Supply side polices don't really affect demand side, however as you know demand polices can have a serious effect on supply slide, monetary policy in particular, so you're right just thought I'd give you an explanation to why you're right :smile:

* Also, no question is a stupid question in the words of my statistics teacher!
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[QUOTE=harryleavey;65097413]Yes, in some cases, things can affect both AS and AD.
Your example of government spending is a good example.

In fact, government spending will definitely affect AD as it is a component.*
Although Government spending may be ineffective in stimulating AS - especially in the short run.
*(Also consider the multiplier: even though government spending is only about 20% of AD, multiplier effects mean that the rise in AD is much more significant).

A small amount of government spending would obviously affect the amount that AD changes, but it would also affect the amount that AS changes (amongst many other factors)

Thank you! I'm starting to believe that you're better than my teachers 😅
Original post by zayn008
Governments can buy things like consumers, which can increase the demand for goods and services in the economy which is why it's a component of AD, equally as important as the others but not as high value of investment and Consumption, so if governments are demanding goods and services for Cross Rail there's higher aggregate demand but also long run aggregate supply, other than that Supply side polices don't really affect demand side, however as you know demand polices can have a serious effect on supply slide, monetary policy in particular, so you're right just thought I'd give you an explanation to why you're right :smile:

* Also, no question is a stupid question in the words of my statistics teacher!


What do you mean "governments can buy things like consumers"?
Reply 516
Original post by CosimaNiehaus
Costs of production are a determinant of SRAS right? That's why I shifted it right if those costs got cheaper.


If you backed this up with Oil prices falling and that its cheaper production costs are being passed onto consumers then you're absolutely correct but to say deflation it's self has this effect is quite wrong, 1) you assume that consumers behave rationally 2) you must ask why are prices in the economy falling? Is it demand side or supply side where the output gap is bigger. both involve stimulating aggregate demand so both require demand side policies unless it's caused by left shift in LRAS which is quite unlikely since there hasn't been a recession (other than 08-09), and even if it did its still likely to be demand side like 2008 was
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Reply 517
Original post by Diastal
What do you mean "governments can buy things like consumers"?


Bad grammar, I should've said "just like consumers can"
Original post by zayn008
Bad grammar, I should've said "just like consumers can"


Oh right, thanks!
Original post by harryleavey
What was your reason for costs of production falling?
If your reason was to do with interest rates, then the analysis is kinda weak.
Interest rates are demand side only. So only affect AD.


It was due to oil prices falling, said in extract A

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