Who are more oppressed in modern western society? Men or women?
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Original post by elizah
Except the fact that 44% of college graduates are underemployed in the US. The idea that everybody who goes to university (which, not a lot of people can, especially if they're born into lower-class families despite decent grades) "earn loads" is laughable.
I'm saying that waiters deserve decent salaries. I'm saying that not advocating that means that you're not advocating basic human rights; " Article 25: "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."
In a capitalist country, it's not possible to do this on 2 dollars an hour. You're blinded by your love for money and your general lack of concern for others.
I'm saying that waiters deserve decent salaries. I'm saying that not advocating that means that you're not advocating basic human rights; " Article 25: "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."
In a capitalist country, it's not possible to do this on 2 dollars an hour. You're blinded by your love for money and your general lack of concern for others.
You haven't answered my question. Why should it be my issue if a waiter does not have high expectations in life?
In a capitalist society, the market dictates what the worker should earn
. I don;'t believe you are pro-freedom of choice or just general pro-freedom.
Original post by TrueDetective01
Well that's your choice and your choice only. I don't want to pay a high amount of taxes and that should be my choice. I should not be forced by government to pay for things like free healthcare and free education .
.thats why you have the vote, use it as you will.
Original post by caravaggio2
Question.
Feminists declare we live in a rape culture and will use any means to try to support it ( ie mangled stats that make British universities seem more dangerous than the streets of Sierra Leone) and will never, never play down rape stats.........until it comes to Sweden
Why would that be?
Feminists declare we live in a rape culture and will use any means to try to support it ( ie mangled stats that make British universities seem more dangerous than the streets of Sierra Leone) and will never, never play down rape stats.........until it comes to Sweden
Why would that be?
Because you're an idiot. Sweden doesn't have "lower" or "higher" rape statistics, Sweden's rape statistics is more accurate as they consider each individual rape case - husband rapes his wife 40 times, that's 40 rapes, while in the UK or US it's just one, and more women report their rapes because there's less social stigma to do so.
We don't live in a rape culture, though. Rape isn't socially or culturally condoned here.
Original post by elizah
I provided decent sources. These aren't my opinions, these are facts, this is how Sweden considers rape.
Except... it is. Finland has one of the highest standards of education in the world. Norway scores no. 1 in the Human Development Index, Iceland is one of the most gender equal countries in the world. Poverty is rare and there's equal opportunity for all, university is free. The unemployment rate is 4.1% in Norway.
Scandinavia is FAR safer than the UK and the US. Please, explain to me why this is such an awful idea and why America's system is better.
Except... it is. Finland has one of the highest standards of education in the world. Norway scores no. 1 in the Human Development Index, Iceland is one of the most gender equal countries in the world. Poverty is rare and there's equal opportunity for all, university is free. The unemployment rate is 4.1% in Norway.
Scandinavia is FAR safer than the UK and the US. Please, explain to me why this is such an awful idea and why America's system is better.
1. Finland and Iceland aren't in Scandinavia.
2. Norway has a population of 5 million and is sitting on a huge pile of oil money.
3. Some of Scandinavia is safer than the UK and the US, mainly Norway.
4. America is a corporate pile of greed ridden filth that I never want to see Europe turn into.
Original post by TrueDetective01
You haven't answered my question. Why should it be my issue if a waiter does not have high expectations in life?
In a capitalist society, the market dictates what the worker should earn. I don;'t believe you are pro-freedom of choice or just general pro-freedom.
In a capitalist society, the market dictates what the worker should earn
. I don;'t believe you are pro-freedom of choice or just general pro-freedom.You ignore all of my arguments and yet you keep whining about how I haven't answered your question.
It should be your problem because we all deserve basic human rights regardless of our jobs. It's that simple. We all deserve human rights.
Original post by elizah
You ignore all of my arguments and yet you keep whining about how I haven't answered your question.
It should be your problem because we all deserve basic human rights regardless of our jobs. It's that simple. We all deserve human rights.
It should be your problem because we all deserve basic human rights regardless of our jobs. It's that simple. We all deserve human rights.
Well, I have to whine since you don't even answer my question even
. Ok, what about my human right not wanting to comply with the system?Original post by Xelfrost
1. Finland and Iceland aren't in Scandinavia.
2. Norway has a population of 5 million and is sitting on a huge pile of oil money.
3. Some of Scandinavia is safer than the UK and the US, mainly Norway.
4. America is a corporate pile of greed ridden filth that I never want to see Europe turn into.
2. Norway has a population of 5 million and is sitting on a huge pile of oil money.
3. Some of Scandinavia is safer than the UK and the US, mainly Norway.
4. America is a corporate pile of greed ridden filth that I never want to see Europe turn into.
1. Finland and Iceland have socialist policies, and they're Nordic countries. Geography isn't too relevant here as these countries are quite similar.
2. Admittedly true, and I guess one could make that argument, but there are other, larger countries with socialist policies all over Europe, like Germany which are doing well economically.
3. Scandinavia is safer than the UK and the US. This is not up for discussion. These aren't opinions. Crime levels in Scandinavia are nowhere near that in the UK or the US. Even Sweden isn't.
4. Glad we can agree on something.
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Original post by TrueDetective01
Well, I have to whine since you don't even answer my question even . Ok, what about my human right not wanting to comply with the system?
. Ok, what about my human right not wanting to comply with the system?Your human right to not want to comply with giving other people human rights?
Like I said, you have every right to move somewhere else if you're not willing to follow Norwegian laws.
Original post by elizah
1. Finland and Iceland have socialist policies, and they're Nordic countries. Geography isn't too relevant here as these countries are quite similar.
2. Admittedly true, and I guess one could make that argument, but there are other, larger countries with socialist policies all over Europe, like Germany which are doing well economically.
3. Scandinavia is safer than the UK and the US. This is not up for discussion. These aren't opinions. Crime levels in Scandinavia are nowhere near that in the UK or the US. Even Sweden isn't.
4. Good we can agree on something.
2. Admittedly true, and I guess one could make that argument, but there are other, larger countries with socialist policies all over Europe, like Germany which are doing well economically.
3. Scandinavia is safer than the UK and the US. This is not up for discussion. These aren't opinions. Crime levels in Scandinavia are nowhere near that in the UK or the US. Even Sweden isn't.
4. Good we can agree on something.
1. Finland, Iceland and Norway aren't socialist countries, just because socialist policies are good for certain things does not mean that they should go all the way.
2. Yes the German economy is good. However there are far more important things than just money, and socialism in Germany has completely undermined the nation state which has resulted in Europes entire Syrian crisis currently.
3. On a whole yes, but Sweden isn't safer, and to state otherwise is just plain wrong.
4. I doubt it's for the same reasons.
5. This is my last post for the night. I may reply in the morning if I deem it worth continuing.
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Original post by elizah
Your human right to not want to comply with giving other people human rights?
Like I said, you have every right to move somewhere else if you're not willing to follow Norwegian laws.
Like I said, you have every right to move somewhere else if you're not willing to follow Norwegian laws.
I do believe in human rights and the rights to my own body but I don't believe in how government enforces it onto the masses.
Lol, I love Norway :P. Such a beautiful country to live in with clean air
Original post by elizah
Because you're an idiot. .
Elizah, take a chill pill matey no need for all the agression.
On a side note, and I have no dog in this fight, but Venezuela used to be capitalist, now it's socialist. How's that been going?
Original post by Xelfrost
1. Finland, Iceland and Norway aren't socialist countries, just because socialist policies are good for certain things does not mean that they should go all the way.
2. Yes the German economy is good. However there are far more important things than just money, and socialism in Germany has completely undermined the nation state which has resulted in Europes entire Syrian crisis currently.
3. On a whole yes, but Sweden isn't safer, and to state otherwise is just plain wrong.
4. I doubt it's for the same reasons.
2. Yes the German economy is good. However there are far more important things than just money, and socialism in Germany has completely undermined the nation state which has resulted in Europes entire Syrian crisis currently.
3. On a whole yes, but Sweden isn't safer, and to state otherwise is just plain wrong.
4. I doubt it's for the same reasons.
1. I... never said they were? They have implemented a system of social democracy, obviously going full blown Marxist-Leninist is awful, but we're discussing a Scandinavian kind of democratic socialism here where taxes are quite high in order to pay for free tuition fees so Scandinavian young adults don't start off their adult lives in massive debt, for free healthcare, for good education systems, for paid paternal leave, etc, which overall contribute to a high standard of living.
2. Yes, the German economy is good, which is an example that democratic socialism can and do work on larger scales. German crime statistics are low and the standard of living is incredibly high as well. The refugee crisis is very temporary and truthfully, isn't harming Germany's economy or standard of living in any substantial way.
3. Actually, even though Swedish crime levels are higher than that of the rest of Scandinavia, crime levels in the UK are still higher. Source: http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2016®ion=150
4. Interesting. For what reasons would you never want to see Europe turned into America?
I'll just drop a few statistics and be on my way, be aware that these are a bit old but little to no improvement has been made since. Since the question is about modern western societies, I think these will be fine since most are American because the website I got them from was American and in most countries the statistics are similar anyway. Here they are:
Unsheltered Homeless (2009)
Women – 12,000 – 4%
Men – 240,000 – 96%
Life Expectancy (2006)
Women – 80.8 Years
Men – 75.7 Years
Suicides (2008)
Women – 7,585 - 19%
Men – 28,450 - 81%
Deaths by Homicide (2004)
Women – 3,856 – 20%
Men – 14,717 – 80%
Deaths from Cancer (2004)
Women – 269,819
Men – 290,069
Deaths from HIV/AIDS (2004)
Women – 3,357
Men – 8,756
Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research
Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000 - 40,000 Deaths
Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000 - 33,000 Deaths
Deaths on the Job (2010)
Women – 355 - 7%
Men – 4,192 - 93%
Injuries on the Job (2007)
Women – 36%
Men – 64%
College Enrolment (2009)
Women – 58% - 11,658,000
Men – 42% - 8,770,000
Affirmative Action Education Programs (Gender Specific)
Women – Yes
Men – No
Unemployment Rates (2010)
Women – 8.6% – 6,199,000
Men – 10.5% - 8,626,000
Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010)
Women – 36.1
Men – 40.2
High School Graduation Rates (2005)
Women – 72%
Men – 65%
Incarceration Rates (2009)
Women – 114,979 - 7%
Men – 1,502,490 - 93%
Child Custody Rates
Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers
US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010
Women – 139 - 0.001%
Men – 100,063 - 99.99%
Federally Funded Battered Shelters
Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year
Men – None – $0
Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research)
Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
Men Only – None – $0
Forced Selective Service
Women – No
Men – Yes
Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010)
Women – 5.8%
Men – 12.2%
Divorce filings
Women - 85%
Men - 15%
Doctor Degrees(2010)
Women - 51.6%
Men - 48.4%
Master’s Degrees(2010)
Women - 60.3%
Men - 39.7%
Receive Alimony
Women: 97%
Men: 3%?
Unsheltered Homeless (2009)
Women – 12,000 – 4%
Men – 240,000 – 96%
Life Expectancy (2006)
Women – 80.8 Years
Men – 75.7 Years
Suicides (2008)
Women – 7,585 - 19%
Men – 28,450 - 81%
Deaths by Homicide (2004)
Women – 3,856 – 20%
Men – 14,717 – 80%
Deaths from Cancer (2004)
Women – 269,819
Men – 290,069
Deaths from HIV/AIDS (2004)
Women – 3,357
Men – 8,756
Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research
Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000 - 40,000 Deaths
Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000 - 33,000 Deaths
Deaths on the Job (2010)
Women – 355 - 7%
Men – 4,192 - 93%
Injuries on the Job (2007)
Women – 36%
Men – 64%
College Enrolment (2009)
Women – 58% - 11,658,000
Men – 42% - 8,770,000
Affirmative Action Education Programs (Gender Specific)
Women – Yes
Men – No
Unemployment Rates (2010)
Women – 8.6% – 6,199,000
Men – 10.5% - 8,626,000
Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010)
Women – 36.1
Men – 40.2
High School Graduation Rates (2005)
Women – 72%
Men – 65%
Incarceration Rates (2009)
Women – 114,979 - 7%
Men – 1,502,490 - 93%
Child Custody Rates
Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers
US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010
Women – 139 - 0.001%
Men – 100,063 - 99.99%
Federally Funded Battered Shelters
Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year
Men – None – $0
Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research)
Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
Men Only – None – $0
Forced Selective Service
Women – No
Men – Yes
Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010)
Women – 5.8%
Men – 12.2%
Divorce filings
Women - 85%
Men - 15%
Doctor Degrees(2010)
Women - 51.6%
Men - 48.4%
Master’s Degrees(2010)
Women - 60.3%
Men - 39.7%
Receive Alimony
Women: 97%
Men: 3%?
Original post by TrueDetective01
I do believe in human rights and the rights to my own body but I don't believe in how government enforces it onto the masses.
Lol, I love Norway :P. Such a beautiful country to live in with clean air
Lol, I love Norway :P. Such a beautiful country to live in with clean air
You do not believe in human rights. You tried to justify paying waiters 2 dollars an hour. That's insane.
Also, obviously. Norway's a beautiful country. High taxes and a lack of pollution will do that to you.
TLDR Neither are oppressed
Original post by elizah
You do not believe in human rights. You tried to justify paying waiters 2 dollars an hour. That's insane.
Also, obviously. Norway's a beautiful country. High taxes and a lack of pollution will do that to you.
Also, obviously. Norway's a beautiful country. High taxes and a lack of pollution will do that to you.
And you want government to force people to do things they don't want to. Isn't that what you want?
Original post by Betelgeuse-
TLDR Neither are oppressed
It's more like neither are oppressed due to blatant sexism in most cases. It's just societal sexism which people don't notice due to common prejudices but most don't think about it or give a crap since it's more convenient or the thought never occurred to them, they aren't necessarily bad people.
Original post by TrueDetective01
And you want government to force people to do things they don't want to. Isn't that what you want?
Yeah. I think laws are good.
Or, y'know, you can move from Norway if you're not willing to follow its laws.
Original post by elizah
Yeah. I think laws are good.
Or, y'know, you can move from Norway if you're not willing to follow its laws.
Or, y'know, you can move from Norway if you're not willing to follow its laws.
I heard Venezuela was a good spot for socialists, maybe you should try that
. So you are against freedoms for people to do anything they want apart from murder, rape, burglary, theft, fraud etc etc etc?Quick Reply
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