Tuition fees are a good thing/

I don't see why some people who are no longer students are using this board for students but whatever.

Isn't it just charming that a generation who benefited from free further education were the ones to take it away from the rest of us?

While specific politicians who benefited from that have been responsible for denying it to your generation, theirs (Cameron's, Osbourne's) was a generation in which it wasn't unusual to leave school at 15 and within which only 15% of young people enjoyed a higher education. "Oh the 6th form is it? The 6th form?! I see we shall have to call you 'the professor'..."

The expansion of the sector, both in the number of providers and the ever increasing intakes at the provider institutions, has led to a situation in which there are today more students just at Russell Group universities than there were students in higher education when Cameron matriculated.

I don't know that that generation had it better, then. Or anyway not in this sense.

Who cares who you think of that its personal preference on what he finds attractive


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yeah because excluding a complete race when you have yet to see every variant of that race is TOTALLY ok. TOTALLY not racist

edl dickhead

Is it ok to exclude all short people?

Fat people?
Skinny people?
Red hair people?
Tall people?
All people of a certain sex?

You haven't seen them all...... Lol

What an idiot you are


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i dont know how many times i have to tell these children on tsr that preference =/= racial exclusion. if you like (or prefer black) people least, fair enough, but if you dont like black people at all, you're almost certainly racist.

Race is a different thing to the things you mentioned above. issues of white supremacy, hypergamy and the intertwining issues of race and class make it a unique problem. discriminating potential partners on weight may seem like a similar comparison, but it does not amount to centuries of oppression on the grounds of beauty black people have faced

stop being a racist mate

yeah because excluding a complete race when you have yet to see every variant of that race is TOTALLY ok. TOTALLY not racist

While specific politicians who benefited from that have been responsible for denying it to your generation, theirs (Cameron's, Osbourne's) was a generation in which it wasn't unusual to leave school at 15 and within which only 15% of young people enjoyed a higher education. "Oh the 6th form is it? The 6th form?! I see we shall have to call you 'the professor'..."

The expansion of the sector, both in the number of providers and the ever increasing intakes at the provider institutions, has led to a situation in which there are today more students just at Russell Group universities than there were students in higher education when Cameron matriculated.

I don't know that that generation had it better, then. Or anyway not in this sense.

i dont know how many times i have to tell these children on tsr that preference =/= racial exclusion. if you like (or prefer black) people least, fair enough, but if you dont like black people at all, you're almost certainly racist.

Race is a different thing to the things you mentioned above. issues of white supremacy, hypergamy and the intertwining issues of race and class make it a unique problem. discriminating potential partners on weight may seem like a similar comparison, but it does not amount to centuries of oppression on the grounds of beauty black people have faced

stop being a racist mate

What was the cost of going to higher education in those days? Any idea?

Tuition fees are the fairest way.

Why should i have to subsidise someone else's ****ty liberal arts degree from some unknown polytechnic?

And why do students feel as thought they are soo entitled?

Blah blah blah give me some free **** that other people have to pay for.

I don't see why some people who are no longer students are using this board for students but whatever.

I must say that tuition fees should probably be much lower and ideally non-existent although that is unrealistic. While some people do take rather stupid degrees, there are also really useful degrees that people may be dissuaded from doing if they are from a low income family. Now I am determined to get into a good uni for maths, oxbridge if possible, but the prospect of having £10000s of debt hanging over my head is kinda depressing.

Having people successfully complete degree generally has a positive impact on the whole of society and is not just for the benefit of the individual completing the degree. There will always be exceptions where this is not the case, but for the majority of people it benefits society as whole and is especially beneficial in many career focuses degrees (medicine, nursing, social work, engineering, teaching) and very academic/science degrees (physics, chemistry, mathematics, biology etc).

It therefore makes sense that a contribution to fund degrees comes from general taxation as the benefit is not just to the individual.

You have yet to see every variant of llama, are you sure you do not want to have sexual relations with a llama?

why dont you like black skin? There are black people who can have features you desire but have a different skin colour to what you want. with this fact in mind, why exclude a whole race if you're not racist?

Tuition fees are the fairest way.

Why should i have to subsidise someone else's ****ty liberal arts degree from some unknown polytechnic?

And why do students feel as thought they are soo entitled?

Blah blah blah give me some free **** that other people have to pay for.

Thank god there is someone with brains on this forum.

I started running my own business (rather than go to uni and get into 30k of debt). Why should I pay for a bunch of drunk kids studying media thinking their all going into TV.

When I started by business I couldn't get "free money" or a loan I don't have too pay back if it doesn't work out. If I take out a loan and don't pay it back, I will have people knocking on my door. Instead I had to work my socks off and do it off my own back, after travel I only earned £40 per week in my first job! These so called "students" need too wake up and see they have a very good deal!

Look.. being serious I have no problem sending intelligent people to uni who want to become doctors or do a STEM subject. The system before Blair ruined it worked fine.

Tuition fees are the fairest way.

Why should i have to subsidise someone else's ****ty liberal arts degree from some unknown polytechnic?

And why do students feel as thought they are soo entitled?

Blah blah blah give me some free **** that other people have to pay for.

Completely free education privileges those who are born luckily intelligent (as opposed to luckily "male", or "straight" or "white" - the stereotypical categories we, incorrectly, use when discussing "privilege". It is a slap in the face to those who are, unfortunately, born with learning disabilities, or who are unintelligent, or whose career paths will be different - factory workers, electricians, retail assistants, etc. Whether you're born smart or dumb is just as arbitrary as whether you're born rich or poor. Both can be changed through hard work, but people, in both cases, start from different positions in the scale.

So long as education is free at the point of use to allow everyone to access education who needs it, and some of your future earnings are used to slowly pay back some of the debt, then I'm happy. And that is the present system. By making it completely free you're giving intelligent people an extra privilege that they would have gotten anyway if they'd chosen to do a lucrative (and therefore socially value-adding) degree to get them into a good job.

I find the idea of non-university goers paying their hard-earned taxes on privileged people quite wrong, both morally and economically. It creates an inefficient education sector, people making worse choices knowing they won't suffer financially from it, and it disadvantages, typically, people in working class professions. And it adds to the deficit.