The EU has spoiled my speakers...

He would rather blame the EU than look at how other speaker manufacturers have dealt with the challenge.

"Potentially" -

A food blender 3ft away is 90db - I dont hear many people becoming deaf thanks to their nutribullet - A rock band is about 110db yet i dont see support for people having THEIR CHOICE to attend rock concerts being taken away from them...

Yet we cant buy a pair of headphones that exceeds 80db. Like i said, treated like small impoverished children who cant and shouldnt be allowed to make decisions for ourselves. You might want that, most people do not. No thankyou

We have a vote on these decisions. If we leave, we still have to comply with the regulations without having a say at all.

A vote on these decisions .. LOL

No we would not, dont lie

"Potentially" -

A food blender 3ft away is 90db - I dont hear many people becoming deaf thanks to their nutribullet - A rock band is about 110db yet i dont see support for people having THEIR CHOICE to attend rock concerts being taken away from them...

Yet we cant buy a pair of headphones that exceeds 80db. Like i said, treated like small impoverished children who cant and shouldnt be allowed to make decisions for ourselves. You might want that, most people do not. No thankyou

Ofc you have a right just as others do to say you are whining rather than finidning a real life solution.

Its man made just like other legal laws. EU law is as natural as those laws.

For a small company like creative it makes sense to have one product they cna just ship to the European region. If they find that the sale of their speakers is suffering, then they should look at the design and how other manufacturers arent letting the regulation hold them back from making sales.

So? You cant make a claim that other companies are suffering too. My Bose speakers work fine, and my cheap bluetooth speakers work fine too.

As i said, this is an issue that isnt felt by other speakers. It seems pretty easily solvable if other companies seem unaffected.

I'm afraid "LOL" has not yet been accepted as a valid argument for, well, anything.



We would if we wanted to sell the things in the EU, which I assume most UK businesses would.

So you are telling me every single country that sell things to the EU has to comply with EU directives such as the speakers on their headphones on all their IMPORTS regardless of where they bought them from? How do Americans have headphones that can exceed 80db then?

No, but the things that we sell to the EU would need to meet EU requirements, which is clearly what I was saying.

The point is: I SHOULDN'T have to be looking for a solution.

Exactly, and we criticise national laws all the time.

Which is not a problem. I will be able to enjoy my music unlike my EU amigos

Great, but which is of more importance when it comes to the EU referendum? (Because, hey, that's what this is all about right? )

You damaging your hearing to your heart's content, or UK businesses selling in the EU?

Blame Creative for failing to design its product to cope better and yourself for failing to resarech properly and pick a more appropriate product. You just enjoy complaining when most people would do soemthing practical about it. You could have returned the speakers under the CRA, but you'd prefer to moan.

Its easier just to have one version and more cost effective. Benefit of mass production.

and limiting storage locations.

Its up to you to complain to Creative enough to impress upon them how much it has ruined your life and you will be taking your custom elsewhere. If enough people in the UK do it, then they might change or find an alternate solution.

Cheers for your reply. The UK population can't decide however, for example, that Donald Tusk and Jean Claude Juncker are not acting in the best interests of the UK therefore we're going to vote to remove them. Only action we can take as a country is to the leave the EU. Hence why we're having this Referendum.

My 7th point was valid as the EU added Estonia and Latvia in 2004 to the ever growing list of EU membership countries. These countries border Russia. This is an example of the West (namely the EU) being in expansive mode.

You are correct to mention NATO however as these countries will more than likely host the NATO Anti Ballistic Missile Defence Shield (this is seriously being considered at the highest levels of NATO.) Thus destabilising MAD. Russia's land based Nukes will become almost non effective due to this. A major War between superpowers becomes more likely.

Also, yeah I agree on the membership fees but not when we are paying in a much higher amount than other countries. In essence, a country such as the UK will be financially penalised for having a strong economy.

The EU is a nice idea (freedom to move around etc) but it's being conducted by the wrong people in the wrong way for the wrong reasons.

Good for you mate but there are 16 yr olds who've learnt this stuff.

I didnt say that is my only reason. In economic terms, that is one aspect of it. This isnt a remain or leave argument thread.

your trade theory is irrelevant. It maybe price inelastic, high tech etc etc but how is that relevant when we already have trade deals with the EU that accumulate to 44% of our international trade? surely leaving would put this at risk, considering that all we can do is speculate?

Im sure we can sit here and argue about more complex issues like liquidity trap (hardly relevant but whatever) but ultimately the remain side has the economic argument as its strongpoint and when most respectable economists have said staying is better than leaving economically, it shows how leaving could be a reckless decison. For starters we can fall into a recession so bad that we may never recover from it and reach the levels of prosperity that we are experiencing now.

basis econ 101