why do people think this about veganism?

Because it is expensive ,$ 15.00 for cherries?

Not really.. what's the difference? Animals have thoughts/feelings/sense of pain etc. and the basic right to live; why should a human be able to take that away from them when they have alternative choices which don't involve cashing out on animals?

I disagree. They are both excreted during the menstrual cycle. Titties and udders are both mammary glands.

How can you be rational with people like this

Lol not really, I aspire to go into investment banking.

It is difficult I do think, because you have to find foods especially that are vegan, such as vegan desserts, which apparently are expensive.
I can see why people think it's hard. I am actually planning on going vegetarian when I go to uni, might be hard but I am hoping I would stick to it. I doubt I will ever go vegan though, anything can happen I guess.

There is a difference, since the beginnings of time people have killed for meat, it was a natural process to kill and eat. Racism had nothing natural about it, the oppression isn't the same. @viddy9

However, I've been vegetarian for 2 years, vegan for a little while(I found letting go of dairy extremely difficult, meat doesn't appeal to me though, not a fan of eating dead flesh).

Recently however I tried meat again, it was awful, made me realise why I stopped. Plan on sticking to vegetarianism for life.

But the reason a lot of vegans are idiots are because they go to extreme lengths to promote their message, they exploit a lot of things while doing so, like history. Black people are not like pigs, it's not the same. It was an extreme comparison and I disliked it, it's embarrassing that somebody would create that.

Being vegetarian isn't that hard, I was surprised how easy it was tbh. So many food choices available, being vegan however, I found it ridiculously difficult, only lasted a couple of weeks. Dairy is so hard to let go...

But one could then go about arguing that racism/homophobia has been prevalent for many, many years and so are "natural" too. I'm not saying that either are worse but there is an obvious argument in that picture which I can't disagree with.

Yes, I agree that it's pretty extreme. Sometimes I do see rather cringe-worthy comparisons but I guess most are intentionally provocative or else people would just ignore it.

I never said veganism was stupid,I said their ridiculous way of going about it makes them seem idiotic. It is so militant, and vegans wonder why people get put off veganism. It's like radical 3rd wave feminism, it starts to achieve the opposite affect.

Thanks for being just as difficult as the vegans I'm taking about. "People like this" lol.

No you didn't you said "a lot of vegans are idiots", that is stereotyping. No vegans here are saying most meat eaters are idiots.

How is saying "people like this", being difficult. No one insulted you, yet you insult vegans.

Also, no vegan has said black people are like pigs, don't be so stupid. There's nothing ridiculous about comparing black slaves to livestock. People have just changed the human slaves to animal slaves.

But one could then go about arguing that racism/homophobia has been prevalent for many, many years and so are "natural" too. I'm not saying that either are worse but there is an obvious argument in that picture which I can't disagree with.

Yes, I agree that it's pretty extreme. Sometimes I do see rather cringe-worthy comparisons but I guess most are intentionally provocative or else people would just ignore it.

But it is an offensive comparison to make.What do people achieve with making comparisons as such :/

There is a difference, since the beginnings of time people have killed for meat, it was a natural process to kill and eat. Racism has nothing natural about it, the oppression isn't the same. @viddy9

No, they're not the same. It's also "natural" to propagate your genes, but there are plenty of ways of doing that that are completely unthical. I don't see what an A-Level psychology textbook has to do with any of this (an A-Level philosophy textbook would say quite clearly that equating what is natural with what we are supposed to do is fallacious).

If you could quote the passage from your Psychology textbook, that would be good.

It wasn't a specifically chosen study: it was a review of the evidence (i.e. all of the studies conducted on vegan lifestyles) by experts in the field.

Why change it? Because it's unethical to inflict unnecessary suffering on other sentient beings. Again, do you believe that confining, transporting and slaughtering humans (say, human infants and severely intellectually disabled humans) is wrong, and if so why? Do you believe that inflicting unnecessary suffering on others is wrong? Do you believe that we should be reducing the amount of greenhouse gas emissions we emit?

Basically, if you care about ethics and the environment, that's a reason to change it. If you believe that we should lower food prices in the developing world (which are artificially high because a lot of the grain grown in the developing world is shipped over to the West to feed the animals so that rich Westerners can eat their meat), that's a reason to change it. If you're a psychopath who doesn't think anything is right or wrong, you'll see no reason to change it.

Yes, I said a lot of vegans are idiots and then I gave an example.

It is RIDICULOUS, black human slaves were nothing like livestock.

Thanks for the reply, but I find this argument very unconvincing. The fact that something is natural has no bearing on whether it is right, so the fact that killing for meat is natural doesn't make it somehow different from human oppression.

And, while racism may not be strictly natural (as genetic differences between races are very small), protecting the in-group and competing against (and discriminating against) the out-group is, because it's "natural" to try to propagate your genes. That doesn't make discriminating against people who are genetically distant any more right. Discriminating against people who look different to you was the natural thing to do centuries ago, and for some people it is even today.

I agree that these tactics may turn some people off, but that's a separate matter to whether the comparisons are valid or not.

Racism, sexism, homophobia and so on have, in the past and even today, been defended because they are "natural". Those who have fought and who continue to fight against these forms of discrimination have always made the point that, whether they are natural or not, that has no bearing on whether they are right. Speciesism is just as discriminatory as racism, sexism and homophobia, and, without trivialising the plight of humans, the fact of the matter is that we've never had a situation in which tens of billions of humans were confined, transported and slaughtered in horrific conditions every single year.

Lol giving one example doesn't credit your opinion.

How is it ridiculous. Apart from being different species, how on earth is it different?

Still not following your point on the first one. Tigers naturally eat meat. Cows naturally eat plants. Humans naturally eat meat and plants. I have previously mentioned why my studies are relevant to this; a major unit for A2 Psychology is eating behaviour and food preferences. Every one of my 6 books states humans are omnivores and, to quote one, 'its high energy content... makes meat palatable and provides the feeling of satiety after consumption. This prompted humans to spend large amounts of time and effort hunting large animals as a food source'. Another states meat consumption allows humans to thrive in different environments. Why else would humans and primates eat meat if it wasn't beneficial to them?

Science can be made to challenge/ try to prove anything. You're the one trying to challenge the status quo.

So having a different view of life and a different opinion makes me a psychopath, does it?

What if I do think killing another being to eat it is fine? The species is irrelevant.

that veganism is 'hard' or 'too expensive' or 'too time consuming'

it baffles me..i want to know why people think this?

With a massive amount of studies showing red/processed meat increased risk of bowl cancer? Dietary cholesterol from animal products linked to heart disease and stroke?

It is indeed "wrong" information so either these are extremely outdated textbooks (they thought smoking didn't affect your health for years) or you aren't telling the truth.