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Original post by redwhiteandbrit
And the UK obviously obtains far less than we put in. Not to mention all the non-monetary benefits such as free-travel, safety, security, etc that the EU provides. Bulgaria actively repays the favour in the sense that we have an expanded market for our goods and services. And it's not all about wealth ...


Bulgaria is a tiny market and the consumers in Bulgaria can easily be forgotten about. Bulgaria is repaying nothing. Oh yeah, travel is great, no one went on holiday before the schengen and visa-free rules started, and no one possibly travels outside the EU where a visa is needed. Not to mention not all countries outside the u require visas. it goes to show visa-free travel and eu is not mutually exclusive.
Original post by 999tigger
You dont understand the purpose of the EU. For the donor countries its in their favour to have new markets and cheaper sources of labour. It also adds to the stability in Europe. Its to the advantage of other countries that all its members expand economically.


It doesn't. Bulgaria is a tiny market Britain exports hardly anything to. Bulgaria can easily be forgotten about. Bulgaria is as important to British exporters as Canada is to indoor ski companies and BP is to qatar. It's not in favour of net contributors to have drains on eu resources tagging along.
Original post by Madeline_H95
Bulgaria is a tiny market and the consumers in Bulgaria can easily be forgotten about. Bulgaria is repaying nothing. Oh yeah, travel is great, no one went on holiday before the schengen and visa-free rules started, and no one possibly travels outside the EU where a visa is needed. Not to mention not all countries outside the u require visas. it goes to show visa-free travel and eu is not mutually exclusive.


I didn't say it was. I said it was one of other benefits.
Original post by Madeline_H95
It doesn't. Bulgaria is a tiny market Britain exports hardly anything to. Bulgaria can easily be forgotten about. Bulgaria is as important to British exporters as Canada is to indoor ski companies and BP is to qatar. It's not in favour of net contributors to have drains on eu resources tagging along.


Its a tiny market now, but it along with the rest of the EU will develop in future.
As long as an accession country commits itself to the aims, standards and values of the EU then they cna applt to join as per article 2 and article 49 of the Treaty of Lisbon. The countries who are the net contributors can object, but they all voted in favour.
Original post by Madeline_H95
It doesn't. Bulgaria is a tiny market Britain exports hardly anything to. Bulgaria can easily be forgotten about.


Britain exports hardly anything anyway, speaking in terms of physical goods. We are a wholly inefficient system, and the addition of another country into a market where our services (which are crucial for the balance of payments) actually have some elements of comparative advantage is a blessing for our own development, as well as their own
Original post by Madeline_H95
It doesn't. Bulgaria is a tiny market Britain exports hardly anything to. Bulgaria can easily be forgotten about. Bulgaria is as important to British exporters as Canada is to indoor ski companies and BP is to qatar. It's not in favour of net contributors to have drains on eu resources tagging along.
Well the EU is not just about money, it's also about spreading a zone of peace, democracy and liberty. One way you achieve this is to invest in a country like Bulgaria, economically and politically. You may not think this is a good aim or that the EU is the best way to achieve this, but others like myself do. Repeatedly arguing it is poor and we Brits do not export high enough % to it, misses the point entirely. That's like a Brit arguing Cornwall or Wales are poor regions of the UK and thus we should question, simply for being poorer, it's right to remain in the British Union.
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Original post by 999tigger
Its a tiny market now, but it along with the rest of the EU will develop in future.
As long as an accession country commits itself to the aims, standards and values of the EU then they cna applt to join as per article 2 and article 49 of the Treaty of Lisbon. The countries who are the net contributors can object, but they all voted in favour.


When Bulgaria grows to be bigger it'll still be a relatively small market, the rest of the world would have moved on. The EU should be a union of rich countries not a union of weak and poor countries.

Original post by redwhiteandbrit
Britain exports hardly anything anyway, speaking in terms of physical goods. We are a wholly inefficient system, and the addition of another country into a market where our services (which are crucial for the balance of payments) actually have some elements of comparative advantage is a blessing for our own development, as well as their own


Britain exports loads of services, it's what the economy runs on, Bulgaria is not a big market for those services. Bulgaria is not important to Britain. Bulgaria is only in the eu because the eu is expansionist and does not have an economic plan for development


Original post by Reformed2010
Well the EU is not just about money, it's also about spreading a zone of peace, democracy and liberty. One way you achieve this is to invest in a country like Bulgaria, economically and politically. You may not think this is a good aim or that the EU is the best way to achieve this, but others like myself do. Repeatedly arguing it is poor and we Brits do not export high enough % to it, misses the point entirely. That's like a Brit arguing Cornwall or Wales is poor region of the UK and thus we should question why it is should be kicked out.


I suppose in your world nato, un, interpol, five eyes, and being good friends with the only superpower is irrelevant in your world. The eu has not promotes peace. The eu and peace is a coincidence. Peace has been a general trend since before the EU was created after Korea.
Original post by Madeline_H95
When Bulgaria grows to be bigger it'll still be a relatively small market, the rest of the world would have moved on. The EU should be a union of rich countries not a union of weak and poor countries.

But it will contribute to make the EU itself a bigger power in global affairs ...

Britain exports loads of services, it's what the economy runs on, Bulgaria is not a big market for those services. Bulgaria is not important to Britain. Bulgaria is only in the eu because the eu is expansionist and does not have an economic plan for development

All of which is what I said, except for the fact that as Bulgaria develops it will begin to demand services, which will benefit the UK...


I suppose in your world nato, un, interpol, five eyes, and being good friends with the only superpower is irrelevant in your world. The eu has not promotes peace. The eu and peace is a coincidence. Peace has been a general trend since before the EU was created after Korea.


Peace is a "general trend"? Are you out of your mind? Though there haven't been any wars to the extent of the World Wars, we are still perpetually in a Cold War, and tensions escalated by our "War on Terror" would not indicate peace...

Nevertheless, the EU, like all blocs, fosters peace because it creates a collective of countries unified by a common goal. I assume it's also coincidence that you ignored the point made in the quoted text about ignoring weaker areas of the UK?
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Original post by redwhiteandbrit
Peace is a "general trend"? Are you out of your mind? Though there haven't been any wars to the extent of the World Wars, we are still perpetually in a Cold War, and tensions escalated by our "War on Terror" would not indicate peace...

Nevertheless, the EU, like all blocs, fosters peace because it creates a collective of countries unified by a common goal. I assume it's also coincidence that you ignored the point made in the quoted text about ignoring weaker areas of the UK?


Bulgaria does not help make the eu a bigger global power. The eu would be as powerful as it is if it was a union of UK, Germany, France, Netherlands, and Spain.

Research the liberal peace thesis. Countries in europe are mainly liberal democracies and liberal democracies very rarely go to war and there has not been a war between two liberal democracies since ww2...if you consider nazi Germany to be a liberal democracy that is
Original post by Madeline_H95
When Bulgaria grows to be bigger it'll still be a relatively small market, the rest of the world would have moved on. The EU should be a union of rich countries not a union of weak and poor countries.
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You are missing the point of why the EU was founded and what its aims are. Its not just economic.
Original post by 999tigger
You are missing the point of why the EU was founded and what its aims are. Its not just economic.


The eu doesn't even meet it's aims.

Peace - no
development - no
more international say - hardly
stronger economy - um, i don't know. How about we ask Greece for that answer

The eu is a failed dream. It's a disastrous pet project of the elite.
Original post by Betelgeuse-
The EU is institutionally racist. Such a coincidence all its member states who get to bask in its glory are WHITE COUNTRIES.


How about letting Chad join or Botswana? White men turning their backs on black people and helping lighter skinned people. Thought not Jean claude Hitler


EU can't help every country around the world .

I'd suggest to form a world government but people think their countries are very important so most won't agree right now.
Just think a country such as Saudi Arabia with Britain ... they don't match.
We'll have to wait a long time until a world government is functional .
Until then countries will not have to help one another that much , they will have military and all these useless stuff that don't help humanity at all . When people complain about the 18 billion that NASA takes each year , USA spends 600 billion to military and that's fine , because it make USA stronger but humanity as a whole weaker.
Original post by Madeline_H95
The eu doesn't even meet it's aims.

Peace - no
development - no
more international say - hardly
stronger economy - um, i don't know. How about we ask Greece for that answer

The eu is a failed dream. It's a disastrous pet project of the elite.


Not noticed any wars within the EU.
Think we have a largerGDP than 1973.
Its a more significnat block acting as 28 countries than they would on their own.
There are more countries than just Greece.

The main objectives of the Union are now to promote peace, the Union's values and the well-being of its peoples.

These general objectives are supplemented by a list of more detailed objectives:

an internal market where competition is free and undistorted;

sustainable development, based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment;

the promotion of scientific and technological advance;

the combating of social exclusion and discrimination, and the promotion of social justice and protection, equality between women and men, solidarity between generations and protection of the rights of the child;

the promotion of economic, social and territorial cohesion, and solidarity among Member States.

Original post by 999tigger
Not noticed any wars within the EU.
Think we have a largerGDP than 1973.
Its a more significnat block acting as 28 countries than they would on their own.
There are more countries than just Greece.

The main objectives of the Union are now to promote peace, the Union's values and the well-being of its peoples.

These general objectives are supplemented by a list of more detailed objectives:
Brussels, paris, madrid and cologne prove how secure the eu is. The intelligence sharing is fantastic and the no internal borders allowing weapons to be freely carried from eastern europe to be used in the paris attacks doesn't matter.

an internal market where competition is free and undistorted;

Reducing the competitiveness of London to give other cities a chance to catch up goes against that point.

sustainable development, based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment;

There's not full employment, the euro does not bring any protection or growth and the carbon targets to reduce pollution go against growth. This objective is nonsense and contradictory

the promotion of scientific and technological advance;

Britain does more for science on its own than the rest of the eu. Besides all that can continue without the eu

the combating of social exclusion and discrimination, and the promotion of social justice and protection, equality between women and men, solidarity between generations and protection of the rights of the child;

All ideological and I'm against some of that.

the promotion of economic, social and territorial cohesion, and solidarity among Member States.

There is no economic cohesion with the euro and Britain's euroscepticism and eu countries unilaterally installing borders proves this object to not have worked


That's the point. EU countries haven't warred just like all other liberal democracies. The eu didn't bring peace.
Historically the UK was one of the big pushers behind enlargement of the EU to Eastern Europe. It's only been in the past few years that the UK has become more sceptical about it.

The UK's generally favourable position towards Eastern Europe was based on two principles. One, in the context of the Cold War, Margaret Thatcher was pro expansion east of the Iron Curtain for security purposes and to promote the victory of capitalism over the Communist bloc. Bringing the former Soviet satellite states in to the club of free trade and the single market was a bit strategic victory over Russia and it is a reason why after a period of detente between Russia and NATO, relations have deteriorated again with Russia feeling that the West has crept up to its borders.

The other issue for the UK was that the UK always had a different vision of Europe than say Germany/France. Whereas Germany/France were more in favour of greater integration and moving towards a European superstate, the UK always preferred the idea of the EU as being a broad but looser affiliation of nations in a trading bloc. By pushing to bring Eastern European countries in it made Eurointegration more difficult and also diluted the influence Germany had. Often the smaller EU countries take similar positions to the UK and are less pro-Germany.
The EU much like communism,a decent idea if you take out the human part. The us is a clusterfack at the moment and really needs reform. we already have turkey blackmailing us and Hit.. I mean Hillary and a gang of idiots pushing laws and policies that are a direct violation of our rights and remind me of a certain mustache wearing leader.
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Original post by 999tigger
Except it was amended by the Treaty of Lisbon in 2007 . It isnt a distance argyment , its those countries which are within Europe, which is why it is called the European Union and not the European, African and Jamaican Union.

It makes no sense if you dont appreciate what the EU is. Guess which continent Bulgaria is on and guess which one Jamiaca is on?



Getting to see why it's called the European Union?


You just don't see. Its NOT OK in the 21st century to base organisations such as the EU on geography - and lets face it if you want to really do this looking at continental plates Italy is on the African plate, 90% of demark is in North America (eg Greenland), 50% of Iceland is in North American plate, Northern Scotland (above Caladonian mountains are on an ancient continental plate), Finland, Estonia is basically part of the geography of Russia - and many geologists no longer see the urals as a border, its basically eurasia , europe is purely a racist political construct based on white nations.

I suggest to you that if Armenia wanted to join the EU it would be considered even though its not in Europe.

From Wiki:
Armenia and the EU began negotiating an Association Agreement, which might ultimately include a Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area, to replace their PCA in July 2010.[4] In November 2012, EU Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood Policy Štefan Füle stated that the AA negotiations could be finalized by November 2013.[5] The new EU Centre in Armenia, set to become the European Union communication hub, officially opened in central Yerevan on 31 January 2013.[6]

OR going the other way, North America in the EU:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

Or are parts of Canada in the EU - yep they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon
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Original post by Vesniep
EU can't help every country around the world .

I'd suggest to form a world government but people think their countries are very important so most won't agree right now.
Just think a country such as Saudi Arabia with Britain ... they don't match.
We'll have to wait a long time until a world government is functional .
Until then countries will not have to help one another that much , they will have military and all these useless stuff that don't help humanity at all . When people complain about the 18 billion that NASA takes each year , USA spends 600 billion to military and that's fine , because it make USA stronger but humanity as a whole weaker.


There you go again with your micro aggression. They dont match! Why not just come out and say our skin colours are completely contrasting and the EU is a white supremacist super state?

The EU is already looking to build an army to wage war on non white states see the president practically admitting it below. It seems you dont even realise the EU is preparing an army which I guess shows you are an ignorant complicit racist and not a hateful racist which is something i guess but same result in the end.

Just look at the white mens thirst in response to the EU Army.. Thirsty remain voting POC blood lusters

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Original post by Betelgeuse-
There you go again with your micro aggression. They dont match! Why not just come out and say our skin colours are completely contrasting and the EU is a white supremacist super state?

The EU is already looking to build an army to wage war on non white states see the president practically admitting it below. It seems you dont even realise the EU is preparing an army which I guess shows you are an ignorant complicit racist and not a hateful racist which is something i guess but same result in the end.

Just look at the white mens thirst in response to the EU Army.. Thirsty remain voting POC blood lusters


....Because that's not the reason we don't match.
It's not our skins don't you understand ?
It is not that difficult to form a single country with America and all commonwealth countries, China ,Japan, south africa ,India , Russia , list goes on to pretty much all countries in the world except from the ones that have very different policies ( British law with german law are not that different as british with Sharia law don't you get this?)
Do you think Europe would have the greatest problem if Saudi Arabia was to join the EU ... they wouldn't accept it if we were to become a single country because they would have to change their law . The problem is religion once again .
Practical problems: gay marriage or death sentence to all gays for being gays ? Women free to live their lifes as they wish or bying them in cheaper prices?
I just said militaries are useless and harmful to humanity and you use military to defend your opinion that I bring the same results with hateful racists.WTF
I think it would be better if we hadn't any military at all (worldwide)... since this is impossible for now ( I'm not the one who make it impossible!) I don't understand what the problem is in forming an EU military instead of separate militaries just as having the same educational system, same law ....become a single country with the name USE.
Such a huge country without military in a world without militaries would be desirable , but in a world with militaries ... a lost case.
Thank you so much for calling me an ignorant racist for wanting world peace , funding science , education and healthcare instead of militaries and just being realistic about how humanity thinks right now.
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