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Is communism making a come back in Europe?

Several towns across Czech, Slovakia, Poland etc have elected communist mayors and young people are taking an interest in Marx, Lenin and Mao.

Interestingly unlike in the UK there is not so much support for Trotkyism.

So do you think communism could make a return? I once read that Marx predicted capitalism would be the end of the world as we know it, and with the ongoing 2008 credit crunch recession that is happening gradually. We have seen our public services torn apart, record homelessness and poverty. Marx also predicted that within Cptialism are the seeds if its own destruction.

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Reply 1
Communism, or more accurately left wing politics, are generally popular amongst the youth anyway so I wouldn't suggest reading too much into that.

If anything, the right/far right is on the rise in Europe.
It is, but in a different form.

This is all far more noticeable in the US where you'll see soviet flags being waved during leftist ralies.





The presidential campaign in the US has shown tensions between "Democratic" Socialists and Conservatives.
Reply 3
I hope not
Reply 4
Original post by Ambitious1999
Several towns across Czech, Slovakia, Poland etc have elected communist mayors and young people are taking an interest in Marx, Lenin and Mao.

Interestingly unlike in the UK there is not so much support for Trotkyism.

So do you think communism could make a return? I once read that Marx predicted capitalism would be the end of the world as we know it, and with the ongoing 2008 credit crunch recession that is happening gradually. We have seen our public services torn apart, record homelessness and poverty. Marx also predicted that within Cptialism are the seeds if its own destruction.


I think we are safe for a while, despite all the tales of gloom I expect standards of living are still in absolute terms improving within western Europe. Looking at things in the round, and over a longer term perspective, capitalism has not been a disaster.

What you possibly need to do is look at the longer term picture, nobody would expect straight line improvement in living standards every year.

The bigger question is possibly , how are Western European economies going to deal with the issues that are going to become more apparent re social welfare and increasing life expectancy?

(Life expectancy is a pretty good non financial indicator on the long term success of capitalism)
Original post by DJKL
I think we are safe for a while, despite all the tales of gloom I expect standards of living are still in absolute terms improving within western Europe. Looking at things in the round, and over a longer term perspective, capitalism has not been a disaster.

What you possibly need to do is look at the longer term picture, nobody would expect straight line improvement in living standards every year.

The bigger question is possibly , how are Western European economies going to deal with the issues that are going to become more apparent re social welfare and increasing life expectancy?

(Life expectancy is a pretty good non financial indicator on the long term success of capitalism)


i.e. increasing now very slowly and will probably be on the way back down by the time our generation gets there. You may very well say so.
Reply 6
Original post by scrotgrot
i.e. increasing now very slowly and will probably be on the way back down by the time our generation gets there. You may very well say so.


But you would, I think, expect a slowdown in the rate of increase, irrespective of medical advances there has to be a finite life expectancy of certain components of a human. It is possibly the shape of curve that would be expected.

I expect the main reason there could be a reversal will be lifestyle choices; whilst a decrease in smoking has no doubt filtered through and helped the figures on the way up, diet and exercise trends could I suppose impact and bring the figures down from a peak.
Original post by DJKL
But you would, I think, expect a slowdown in the rate of increase, irrespective of medical advances there has to be a finite life expectancy of certain components of a human. It is possibly the shape of curve that would be expected.

I expect the main reason there could be a reversal will be lifestyle choices; whilst a decrease in smoking has no doubt filtered through and helped the figures on the way up, diet and exercise trends could I suppose impact and bring the figures down from a peak.


I would certainly like to see figures disaggregated by cause of death. However our generation are living in a far more insecure world and will be working longer. I think many of us will die in our 70s at our desks, and of course the gap between rich and poor will continue to increase.
Reply 8
Well someone has to be accountable for the far right.
Reply 9
I wish we had the Iron Curtain and Eastern block again since it is more suistanble to the culture of Eastern Europe. There would also not be mass immigration and colonisation of muslims.

Marx is actually part of curiculum of every humanist faculty in Eastern Europe and it was never removed.
Only losers want communism.

Unable to provide a living for yourself so you need men with guns to forcibly remove money from those who can produce in order to give it to those who won't.
Original post by slaven
I wish we had the Iron Curtain and Eastern block again since it is more suistanble to the culture of Eastern Europe. There would also not be mass immigration and colonisation of muslims.

Marx is actually part of curiculum of every humanist faculty in Eastern Europe and it was never removed.


You're 100% right
I don't think so - electing centre-right governments is more common than not in Europe, and there are more right-wing parties recently than before. UKIP has become a significant party here in the UK, while the left-wing parties (Labour, Greens and Lib Dems) are suffering, with the SNP being the sole exception. In Austria, the president was almost Norbert Hofer of the far-right Freedom Party, and Angela Merkel, one of the most powerful people in Europe, is centre-right. The US obviously isn't in Europe, but there the Republicans control most of the state legislatures, both houses of Congress, and would probably win this year if their candidate wasn't so extreme.

So no, communism isn't making a comeback. Sometimes left-wing parties are successful, but at best they're centre-left or centre (and therefore very far from communism), while the right is currently thriving as people exploit fears of immigration and multi-culturalism.
Reply 13
Original post by slaven
I wish we had the Iron Curtain and Eastern block again since it is more suistanble to the culture of Eastern Europe. There would also not be mass immigration and colonisation of muslims.

Marx is actually part of curiculum of every humanist faculty in Eastern Europe and it was never removed.


I'm glad you feel that way. What is your avatar all about?
Reply 14
Original post by Jebedee
Only losers want communism.

Unable to provide a living for yourself so you need men with guns to forcibly remove money from those who can produce in order to give it to those who won't.


And what stops you from being a loser?
Original post by Ambitious1999
Several towns across Czech, Slovakia, Poland etc have elected communist mayors and young people are taking an interest in Marx, Lenin and Mao.

Interestingly unlike in the UK there is not so much support for Trotkyism.

So do you think communism could make a return? I once read that Marx predicted capitalism would be the end of the world as we know it, and with the ongoing 2008 credit crunch recession that is happening gradually. We have seen our public services torn apart, record homelessness and poverty. Marx also predicted that within Cptialism are the seeds if its own destruction.


tbh the interest in these dead ideologues is as important as the fad for Sherlock Holmes

:holmes:
Original post by Thomb
And what stops you from being a loser?


Making yourself as employable as possible and working hard (+smart) without moaning about inequalities every five minutes.

Nothing is equal, live with it.
Reply 17
Original post by Jebedee
Making yourself as employable as possible and working hard (+smart) without moaning about inequalities every five minutes.

Nothing is equal, live with it.


Ok so the majority of the working class do that. Why isn't equality possible?
Original post by Thomb
Ok so the majority of the working class do that. Why isn't equality possible?


Citation needed.

Because people are not equal in skill.
Reply 19
Original post by the bear
tbh the interest in these dead ideologues is as important as the fad for Sherlock Holmes

:holmes:


'tis true I treat Marx as a historical document it's dated and never worked.

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