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Argument at work with my manager

Had a massive argument with my manager earlier today she is known for being erratic and confrontational at work so I usually ignore what she has to say. I work at a cocktail bar so you'd expect me to be doing bar work such as barbacking or bartending the former which I am better at. However my manager called me in yesterday for 'training' but things turned out differently as I ended up cleaning and lifting boxes out the stockroom which I was told to clear out. I thought to myself okay this isn't part of the job description let me do it anyway. It took couple hours to clear out the stockroom on my own. At the end of the shift my manager asks if I could come in the next day to put back the all the stock back. I initially hesitated and eventually agreed to come in with the condition that someone would be helping me to move all the stock.

I started work at 12pm the following day everything was going fine at the beginning until the lamp broke in the stockroom which I accidentally knocked over whilst lifting the boxes. My manager response to the incident was disgusting she started being very condescending at this point questioning my intelligence and generally being disrespectful. I understand that she would be mad as I just broke an expensive lamp, but to be so rude and disrespectful towards me. That's something I do not tolerate. So I confronted her and told her to stop belittling me that I do my best and that we all make mistakes.

Her argument

Her: You're paid to do the work here.
Me: I didn't ask to do this, why would you even ask me to clear out the stockroom?
Her: You can leave if you want there are plenty of people ready to work here.
Me: I have no problem working here, but if you disrespect me that is something I will not tolerate.
Her: Your old job reference wasn't very complimentary about you they said you lacked common sense.
Me: I only worked two shifts there ofcourse they wouldn't be.
Her: You can go home now
Me: Is this it then?
Her: I'll speak to you tommorow.

Her: You know that it costs £70 to get this lamp sorted out

At this point I am debating whether to quit my job or not as they clearly don't appreciate me and take me for a fool.

Cliffs
Manager wants me to come in for bar training supposedly
Things turn out differently and I end up cleaning mostly
Got told to clear out the stockroom which contained at least sixty boxes
Then got asked to come back next day to put stock back in
I accidentally broke the lamp in the stockroom and manager goes on a tangent
Questions my intelligence and attempts to belittle me
I confront her about this and massive arguement ensues

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Reply 1
Is this just a rant or are you seeking advice on whether to leave?

Can you afford to leave, do you need this job? Would you be able to easily find another position?
Trust me a lot of managers act like that sometimes you just have to ignore them, just think you're going in for your money, you don't need to socialise or even bother making small talk with her, just do your work. Maybe wait and see what she has to say to say tomorrow she might change her tone a bit, she probably didn't expect you to answer back to her today.
Reply 2
Original post by aarora
Is this just a rant or are you seeking advice on whether to leave?

Can you afford to leave, do you need this job? Would you be able to easily find another position?
Trust me a lot of managers act like that sometimes you just have to ignore them, just think you're going in for your money, you don't need to socialise or even bother making small talk with her, just do your work. Maybe wait and see what she has to say to say tomorrow she might change her tone a bit, she probably didn't expect you to answer back to her today.


Bit of both really.

I cannot afford to leave yes I do need this job. I am in the process of finding another job as we speak and have been looking for the past few days. I generally don't socialise with my manager at all it's just that we clashed today.
Original post by Black Cat
Had a massive argument with my manager earlier today she is known for being erratic and confrontational at work so I usually ignore what she has to say. I work at a cocktail bar so you'd expect me to be doing bar work such as barbacking or bartending the former which I am better at. However my manager called me in yesterday for 'training' but things turned out differently as I ended up cleaning and lifting boxes out the stockroom which I was told to clear out. I thought to myself okay this isn't part of the job description let me do it anyway. It took couple hours to clear out the stockroom on my own. At the end of the shift my manager asks if I could come in the next day to put back the all the stock back. I initially hesitated and eventually agreed to come in with the condition that someone would be helping me to move all the stock.

I started work at 12pm the following day everything was going fine at the beginning until the lamp broke in the stockroom which I accidentally knocked over whilst lifting the boxes. My manager response to the incident was disgusting she started being very condescending at this point questioning my intelligence and generally being disrespectful. I understand that she would be mad as I just broke an expensive lamp, but to be so rude and disrespectful towards me. That's something I do not tolerate. So I confronted her and told her to stop belittling me that I do my best and that we all make mistakes.

Her argument

Her: You're paid to do the work here.
Me: I didn't ask to do this, why would you even ask me to clear out the stockroom?
Her: You can leave if you want there are plenty of people ready to work here.
Me: I have no problem working here, but if you disrespect me that is something I will not tolerate.
Her: Your old job reference wasn't very complimentary about you they said you lacked common sense.
Me: I only worked two shifts there ofcourse they wouldn't be.
Her: You can go home now
Me: Is this it then?
Her: I'll speak to you tommorow.

Her: You know that it costs £70 to get this lamp sorted out

At this point I am debating whether to quit my job or not as they clearly don't appreciate me and take me for a fool.

Cliffs
Manager wants me to come in for bar training supposedly
Things turn out differently and I end up cleaning mostly
Got told to clear out the stockroom which contained at least sixty boxes
Then got asked to come back next day to put stock back in
I accidentally broke the lamp in the stockroom and manager goes on a tangent
Questions my intelligence and attempts to belittle me
I confront her about this and massive arguement ensues


Apply online for cinema jobs and Trainee recruitment consultant jobs on Reed, CV library, Monster websites as you need no experience to do them
Go into all the walk in agencies on the street like Reed, etc they might be able to find you a job much quicker.
Or Seeking.arrangement.com you can make lots of money from but its not really a job its rich people who pay men or women to be their companion but you dont have to sex them
Your contract probably has something in the job description along the lines of "and other miscellaneous tasks as required from time to time".
Original post by Black Cat
Had a massive argument with my manager earlier today she is known for being erratic and confrontational at work so I usually ignore what she has to say. I work at a cocktail bar so you'd expect me to be doing bar work such as barbacking or bartending the former which I am better at. However my manager called me in yesterday for 'training' but things turned out differently as I ended up cleaning and lifting boxes out the stockroom which I was told to clear out. I thought to myself okay this isn't part of the job description let me do it anyway. It took couple hours to clear out the stockroom on my own. At the end of the shift my manager asks if I could come in the next day to put back the all the stock back. I initially hesitated and eventually agreed to come in with the condition that someone would be helping me to move all the stock.

I started work at 12pm the following day everything was going fine at the beginning until the lamp broke in the stockroom which I accidentally knocked over whilst lifting the boxes. My manager response to the incident was disgusting she started being very condescending at this point questioning my intelligence and generally being disrespectful. I understand that she would be mad as I just broke an expensive lamp, but to be so rude and disrespectful towards me. That's something I do not tolerate. So I confronted her and told her to stop belittling me that I do my best and that we all make mistakes.

Her argument

Her: You're paid to do the work here.
Me: I didn't ask to do this, why would you even ask me to clear out the stockroom?
Her: You can leave if you want there are plenty of people ready to work here.
Me: I have no problem working here, but if you disrespect me that is something I will not tolerate.
Her: Your old job reference wasn't very complimentary about you they said you lacked common sense.
Me: I only worked two shifts there ofcourse they wouldn't be.
Her: You can go home now
Me: Is this it then?
Her: I'll speak to you tommorow.

Her: You know that it costs £70 to get this lamp sorted out

At this point I am debating whether to quit my job or not as they clearly don't appreciate me and take me for a fool.

Cliffs
Manager wants me to come in for bar training supposedly
Things turn out differently and I end up cleaning mostly
Got told to clear out the stockroom which contained at least sixty boxes
Then got asked to come back next day to put stock back in
I accidentally broke the lamp in the stockroom and manager goes on a tangent
Questions my intelligence and attempts to belittle me
I confront her about this and massive arguement ensues


I once had a boss like that so I slapped him in his face... Needless to say I got fired and won't be asking him for a reference lol
Don't let her get away with it. I had a similar boss who was a total B* you just have to show them that you won't tolerate being talked to in this way. Hopefully they should back down
Reply 7
Key to success at work is to get on well with your boss. If you can't do this, best to find a job where you can. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask you to do some bar related tasks if they are safe and manageable. You probably have very few employment rights and little hope of challenging the behaviour you describe.
If I was a betting person I would say she's getting ready to fire you. It sounds very fragile and in the balance. Unless you have been working there two years, then you dont get that many substantial employment rights. You should look at the company handbook and consider or enquire about making a complaint to a regional manager or HR about her alleged rudeness. That means it would get messy. No idea of the company so they might just ditch you or they might listen. It wouldnt surprise me if any severance pay ahd the cost of the lamp deducted.

Agree with above that your contract probably says you do what they tell you to do. I wouldnt see clearing the stockroom as being too wide of the mark. Sounds like you need another job.
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Reply 9
Original post by Zarek
Key to success at work is to get on well with your boss. If you can't do this, best to find a job where you can. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask you to do some bar related tasks if they are safe and manageable. You probably have very few employment rights and little hope of challenging the behaviour you describe.


That's not even the issue for me it's just the downright condescending attitude towards me and lack of respect.
Original post by Black Cat
That's not even the issue for me it's just the downright condescending attitude towards me and lack of respect.


You don't have a right to chat like that to your boss mate lol not without something in the contract protecting you, and definitely not when you're in the wrong.
Original post by Black Cat
Had a massive argument with my manager earlier today she is known for being erratic and confrontational at work so I usually ignore what she has to say. I work at a cocktail bar so you'd expect me to be doing bar work such as barbacking or bartending the former which I am better at. However my manager called me in yesterday for 'training' but things turned out differently as I ended up cleaning and lifting boxes out the stockroom which I was told to clear out. I thought to myself okay this isn't part of the job description let me do it anyway. It took couple hours to clear out the stockroom on my own. At the end of the shift my manager asks if I could come in the next day to put back the all the stock back. I initially hesitated and eventually agreed to come in with the condition that someone would be helping me to move all the stock.

I started work at 12pm the following day everything was going fine at the beginning until the lamp broke in the stockroom which I accidentally knocked over whilst lifting the boxes. My manager response to the incident was disgusting she started being very condescending at this point questioning my intelligence and generally being disrespectful. I understand that she would be mad as I just broke an expensive lamp, but to be so rude and disrespectful towards me. That's something I do not tolerate. So I confronted her and told her to stop belittling me that I do my best and that we all make mistakes.

Her argument

Her: You're paid to do the work here.
Me: I didn't ask to do this, why would you even ask me to clear out the stockroom?
Her: You can leave if you want there are plenty of people ready to work here.
Me: I have no problem working here, but if you disrespect me that is something I will not tolerate.
Her: Your old job reference wasn't very complimentary about you they said you lacked common sense.
Me: I only worked two shifts there ofcourse they wouldn't be.
Her: You can go home now
Me: Is this it then?
Her: I'll speak to you tommorow.

Her: You know that it costs £70 to get this lamp sorted out

At this point I am debating whether to quit my job or not as they clearly don't appreciate me and take me for a fool.

Cliffs
Manager wants me to come in for bar training supposedly
Things turn out differently and I end up cleaning mostly
Got told to clear out the stockroom which contained at least sixty boxes
Then got asked to come back next day to put stock back in
I accidentally broke the lamp in the stockroom and manager goes on a tangent
Questions my intelligence and attempts to belittle me
I confront her about this and massive arguement ensues



Dont talk back to your manager again because she could fire you and you need the job, just pretend to be nice to her because you also need a good reference to get another job. If you didnt need it then its ok to answer back but even if you do get another job its best not to be rude because you still need her to give you a good refererence when you leave.
When i worked as a packer for online shoppers in a warehouse in Asda in Enfield the manager was a total bitch but i did sometimes answer her back and sometimes i tried not to but i do wish id been a total bitch back to her everyday so i regret not standing up to her more but that was because i didnt care about the job but everyone else thought they were lucky to get the job because they had been trying for years with no luck until they got that job.

Beacause she was such a bitch i would eat the sweets, food, crisps but not on the shop floor as one person got the sack because the security camera showed him drinking their can of drink on the shop floor. Most people did it because they were angry at how all the managers treated them like ****. One man told me he has breakfast, lunch, dinner free there everyday by taking small stuff to eat. I thought that was hillarious. When i first started i refused to do it but after a few months i took little things like chocolates, etc. I even had the cheek to take their bags of sweets and share them out but i only did it because i hated her. Sometimes it was a good laugh
but i wouldnt have hated it so much if she wasnt the manager. We would take things back to the changing rooms or toilet to eat them. One man told me he was eating the stuff he took right in front of her and the supervisor who was doing a locker search. But they didnt do locker searches often. Another man took bottles of wine and didnt put it in his locker because if he was caught thats an instant sacking but by putting it on top of his locker no one can prove he took it if it was discovered but someone tried to move the locker and all the bottles of wine smashed on the floor so i heard they did sack him in the end because they had suspicions before or saw it on cctv.
But i would never take wine or anything big. I know it still sounds bad but if a manager male or female is a nasty bitch then you dont feel guilty for doing stuff like that but you definitely shouldnt do any of that because your situation is different because you need the job.

Since the day i started she would taunt me that she would sack me and i told her she should. She kept trying to tell me to resign but i would say no, you have to sack me so she used that to blackmail me everyday by saying she will tell the job centre i asked to be sacked if i did resign. I was looking for other jobs but i had no luck so i felt i was stuck there because i really wanted to leave but i was worried that if i left id get into trouble at the job centre but if they sacked me i wouldnt and she knew this. I put up with her taunting me about this for 9 months and it made me depressed and hate the job even more. But when the other 2 nice senior managers above her would ask me if i liked this job i was not honest with them and never told them the truth about that manager but i wish i had as they would have been angry about what she was doing. But after 9 months i had enough and just left and didnt care if i got into trouble as i explained to the job centre everything. But that was years ago so you cant just leave a job now. I didnt know about Trainee recruitment jobs back then and i didnt sign up with walk in agencies on the street but if i had i would have got a better job a lot quicker but i just applied online and took my cv into all the shops but none of those things worked.

Because you need the money its best not to risk pissing her off to the point where she could sack you
Just kill the bitch with kindness, she won't know how to handle that.
Reply 12
Original post by Judge Judy
Dont talk back to your manager again because she could fire you and you need the job, just pretend to be nice to her because you also need a good reference to get another job. If you didnt need it then its ok to answer back but even if you do get another job its best not to be rude because you still need her to give you a good refererence when you leave.
When i worked as a packer for online shoppers in a warehouse in Asda in Enfield the manager was a total bitch but i did sometimes answer her back and sometimes i tried not to but i do wish id been a total bitch back to her everyday so i regret not standing up to her more but that was because i didnt care about the job but everyone else thought they were lucky to get the job because they had been trying for years with no luck until they got that job.

Beacause she was such a bitch i would eat the sweets, food, crisps but not on the shop floor as one person got the sack because the security camera showed him drinking their can of drink on the shop floor. Most people did it because they were angry at how all the managers treated them like ****. One man told me he has breakfast, lunch, dinner free there everyday by taking small stuff to eat. I thought that was hillarious. When i first started i refused to do it but after a few months i took little things like chocolates, etc. I even had the cheek to take their bags of sweets and share them out but i only did it because i hated her. Sometimes it was a good laugh
but i wouldnt have hated it so much if she wasnt the manager. We would take things back to the changing rooms or toilet to eat them. One man told me he was eating the stuff he took right in front of her and the supervisor who was doing a locker search. But they didnt do locker searches often. Another man took bottles of wine and didnt put it in his locker because if he was caught thats an instant sacking but by putting it on top of his locker no one can prove he took it if it was discovered but someone tried to move the locker and all the bottles of wine smashed on the floor so i heard they did sack him in the end because they had suspicions before or saw it on cctv.
But i would never take wine or anything big. I know it still sounds bad but if a manager male or female is a nasty bitch then you dont feel guilty for doing stuff like that but you definitely shouldnt do any of that because your situation is different because you need the job.

Since the day i started she would taunt me that she would sack me and i told her she should. She kept trying to tell me to resign but i would say no, you have to sack me so she used that to blackmail me everyday by saying she will tell the job centre i asked to be sacked if i did resign. I was looking for other jobs but i had no luck so i felt i was stuck there because i really wanted to leave but i was worried that if i left id get into trouble at the job centre but if they sacked me i wouldnt and she knew this. I put up with her taunting me about this for 9 months and it made me depressed and hate the job even more. But when the other 2 nice senior managers above her would ask me if i liked this job i was not honest with them and never told them the truth about that manager but i wish i had as they would have been angry about what she was doing. But after 9 months i had enough and just left and didnt care if i got into trouble as i explained to the job centre everything. But that was years ago so you cant just leave a job now. I didnt know about Trainee recruitment jobs back then and i didnt sign up with walk in agencies on the street but if i had i would have got a better job a lot quicker but i just applied online and took my cv into all the shops but none of those things worked.

Because you need the money its best not to risk pissing her off to the point where she could sack you
Just kill the bitch with kindness, she won't know how to handle that.


This is horrible good on you for leaving your old job.
Reply 13
Original post by 0to100
You don't have a right to chat like that to your boss mate lol not without something in the contract protecting you, and definitely not when you're in the wrong.


How does standing up for myself put me in the wrong? I didn't mind doing the odd job, but if you're going to disrespect me that's something I do not tolerate from anyone. I don't like the idea of being treated like **** and letting it slide.
Original post by Black Cat
How does standing up for myself put me in the wrong? I didn't mind doing the odd job, but if you're going to disrespect me that's something I do not tolerate from anyone. I don't like the idea of being treated like **** and letting it slide.


I didn't say that put you in the wrong I said you were in the wrong for breaking the lamp. You can't mouth off. Sadly this is the issue with working for someone. You might be taking it personal tbh
Original post by Judge Judy
Dont talk back to your manager again because she could fire you and you need the job, just pretend to be nice to her because you also need a good reference to get another job. If you didnt need it then its ok to answer back but even if you do get another job its best not to be rude because you still need her to give you a good refererence when you leave.
When i worked as a packer for online shoppers in a warehouse in Asda in Enfield the manager was a total bitch but i did sometimes answer her back and sometimes i tried not to but i do wish id been a total bitch back to her everyday so i regret not standing up to her more but that was because i didnt care about the job but everyone else thought they were lucky to get the job because they had been trying for years with no luck until they got that job.

Beacause she was such a bitch i would eat the sweets, food, crisps but not on the shop floor as one person got the sack because the security camera showed him drinking their can of drink on the shop floor. Most people did it because they were angry at how all the managers treated them like ****. One man told me he has breakfast, lunch, dinner free there everyday by taking small stuff to eat. I thought that was hillarious. When i first started i refused to do it but after a few months i took little things like chocolates, etc. I even had the cheek to take their bags of sweets and share them out but i only did it because i hated her. Sometimes it was a good laugh
but i wouldnt have hated it so much if she wasnt the manager. We would take things back to the changing rooms or toilet to eat them. One man told me he was eating the stuff he took right in front of her and the supervisor who was doing a locker search. But they didnt do locker searches often. Another man took bottles of wine and didnt put it in his locker because if he was caught thats an instant sacking but by putting it on top of his locker no one can prove he took it if it was discovered but someone tried to move the locker and all the bottles of wine smashed on the floor so i heard they did sack him in the end because they had suspicions before or saw it on cctv.
But i would never take wine or anything big. I know it still sounds bad but if a manager male or female is a nasty bitch then you dont feel guilty for doing stuff like that but you definitely shouldnt do any of that because your situation is different because you need the job.

Since the day i started she would taunt me that she would sack me and i told her she should. She kept trying to tell me to resign but i would say no, you have to sack me so she used that to blackmail me everyday by saying she will tell the job centre i asked to be sacked if i did resign. I was looking for other jobs but i had no luck so i felt i was stuck there because i really wanted to leave but i was worried that if i left id get into trouble at the job centre but if they sacked me i wouldnt and she knew this. I put up with her taunting me about this for 9 months and it made me depressed and hate the job even more. But when the other 2 nice senior managers above her would ask me if i liked this job i was not honest with them and never told them the truth about that manager but i wish i had as they would have been angry about what she was doing. But after 9 months i had enough and just left and didnt care if i got into trouble as i explained to the job centre everything. But that was years ago so you cant just leave a job now. I didnt know about Trainee recruitment jobs back then and i didnt sign up with walk in agencies on the street but if i had i would have got a better job a lot quicker but i just applied online and took my cv into all the shops but none of those things worked.

Because you need the money its best not to risk pissing her off to the point where she could sack you
Just kill the bitch with kindness, she won't know how to handle that.


It's always middle aged women bosses why am I surprised they always seem to have a problem with me
Reply 16
Original post by Black Cat
That's not even the issue for me it's just the downright condescending attitude towards me and lack of respect.


Ugh my boss is like that, if I didn't need the job I would've walked out by now.

If she's always like this and you're not happy, and you can't see things improving in the future, then I'd advise you to find another job. No point staying in a job which depresses you.

Do try and make amends first though.

Good luck :smile:
Reply 17
You sound like you took an issue with being asked to work in the stock room, which is the wrong attitude. You're there to work, not do whatever you want. She's totally right in that she could easily find somebody willing to do what they are asked with no questions so you need to be careful if you need the money.

She should have insurance for the lamp. I wouldn't be paying for it out of my own pocket.

If she didn't like your reference, she shouldn't have given you the job, so that's not really a point worth making, although I assume it was just in the heat of the moment and that's why she told you to leave.
Original post by Judge Judy
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JJ Fascinating. If it happened now and you resigned then they would count that as making yourself unemployed, so youd be sancctioned and prevented from claiming for 3 months +.

Be wary of the taking food thing because its theft and if they felt it was going on a long time they could bring in the police ,prosecution, criminal record etc.

Glad to see you got out.
Original post by 999tigger
JJ Fascinating. If it happened now and you resigned then they would count that as making yourself unemployed, so youd be sancctioned and prevented from claiming for 3 months +.

Be wary of the taking food thing because its theft and if they felt it was going on a long time they could bring in the police ,prosecution, criminal record etc.

Glad to see you got out.


Yes, your right but i only stayed til 9 months because i was too scared to leave if the job centre sanctioned me for it but in the end i had to leave because it was making me ill to be blackmailed like that every day but i should have told the senior manager above her because he did not know she was doing this. But she was evil to use that against me just so she could taunt me every day. And i didnt see taking small things as stealing at the time but your right about that.

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