I'm an Ex-Muslim AMA

So you are agreeing it's okay for a husband to hit his wife as long as it's no more wider than a stick? yuck, that's such a disgusting with to say.

And you actually believe the parts I highlighted isn't sexist? Are you being serious? It's so sad how forced into Islam you Muslims are that you deny the evidence displayed in front of you. So sad.

So are women not allowed to challenge the husbands behaviour if he is promiscuous? It's sexist itself because it claims as if there is aan issue with female promiscuity and not males.



I never said that, are you okay ? It's sexist to imply that promiscuity is only bad in females and not males.

Insults and anecdotal stories. Nice one! We can agree that Allah is unjust in the way men and women are punished in the dunya for shaming the family, right?

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-’As: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately.Sunan Abu Dawood – Book 2 Hadith 495

^^ you might wanna check that out incase I made this out of thin air.

You didn't really reply to what I said but it's pretty hard to justify (minor?) domestic violence.

my internet is crazy slow so it takes time for me to see your posts.

the crazy thing is that you believe men cant be punished ! why do you think that?! we arent given some sort of special treatment where men can do what ever they want with out consequences.

in regards to what i said about kids. you might remember i said that puberty is when praying is made compulsory : here is when kids reach puberty on avg

In girls, puberty usually starts around 11 years of age, but it may start as early as 6 or 7 years of age. In boys, puberty begins around 12 years as age, but may start as early as 9 years of age. Puberty is a process that goes on for several years. Most girls are physically mature by about 14 years of age.

as you can see, both genders start puberty around 10. so therefore they are required. but majority of families start them praying later.

Well the quran only implies that women should be punished. Get over yourself and stop denying the truth presented in front you. Some parts of the quran are very sexist.

Ok ill show you how laughable and how much of an idiot you really are, and i dont care if its insulting stop trying to sladner misquote and take things out of context.

Abu Dawood (459) and Ahmad (6650) narrated from ‘Amr ibn Shu’ayb from his father that his grandfather said: The Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “Teach your children to pray when they are seven years old, and smack them (lightly) if they do not pray when they are 10 years old, and separate them in their beds.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Irwa’(247).

With regard to smacking a child for not praying, it is stipulated that the smacking should be light and should not be painful and should not break the skin, or break a tooth or bone. It should be on the back or the hand and the like, and the face is to be avoided because it is forbidden to strike it, because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) forbade that.

Explain how its "domestic violence" lmao.... What a moron trying to misquote things and take it out of context it says "LIGHTLY", IT CANT BE PAINFUL, LEAVE A MARK.

my internet is crazy slow so it takes time for me to see your posts.

the crazy thing is that you believe men cant be punished ! why do you think that?! we arent given some sort of special treatment where men can do what ever they want with out consequences.

in regards to what i said about kids. you might remember i said that puberty is when praying is made compulsory : here is when kids reach puberty on avg

In girls, puberty usually starts around 11 years of age, but it may start as early as 6 or 7 years of age. In boys, puberty begins around 12 years as age, but may start as early as 9 years of age. Puberty is a process that goes on for several years. Most girls are physically mature by about 14 years of age.

as you can see, both genders start puberty around 10. so therefore they are required. but majority of families start them praying later.

murder wtf
child sex give me the proof
which wife did he beat
treatingwomen awfully, when
slavery just stopped two centuries ago for america and england
'nuff said'

Yeah it haven't stop at all in arab world. Isis still taking slaves. Laborers in qatar not any better.

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I'm talking about husband being allowed to beat his wife but not vice versa (or her family etc). I'm not talking about the aakhira.

Slavery in islam is not allowed.

Now at the time it was the norm

False.



I don't know what would constitute 'reliable' in your mind, given the usual position taken by Muslims that any site remotely critical of Islam is a biased site incapable of being correct on even the smallest factual detail and, if not that, then the site caters to a different sect to the one of which the person speaking happens to be a member, and is therefore, naturally, bulls--t.

Anyway, this site usually seems to be well-received by the Sunni members, so let's hope I don't get mauled for my 'Islamophobic' ignorance. Cutting out the silly apologetics ('Europe and America were worse in their time!', the most salient point is as follows:



You're welcome to read the rest of that exercise in excuse-making, but since you've only disputed the permissibility of slavery in Islam, much of it is irrelevant (it goes into quite some detail about why slavery in Islam is justified/ameliorated because, hey, Judaism and Christianity were just as bad if not worse).

Only people whose lives aren't claimed to be an example for all times and for all people can appeal to the 'norms of the time.' Muhammad was either as subject to the norms of 7th century Arabia as anyone else living there at the time, or he was a perfect model for all times. You can't have it both ways.

Only people whose lives aren't claimed to be an example for all times and for all people can appeal to the 'norms of the time.' Muhammad was either as subject to the norms of 7th century Arabia as anyone else living there at the time, or he was a perfect model for all times. You can't have it both ways.

Again whats with non muslims taking things out of cotext....

there are stipluations required and principles when treating a "slave".

Leave him. He basically said paedophillia is ok as long as they go through puberty. Marriages can happen before it though.

No point arguing tbh. We believe it's wrong, he believes it's right.

Leave him. He basically said paedophillia is ok as long as they go through puberty. Marriages can happen before it though.

No point arguing tbh. We believe it's wrong, he believes it's right.

I've taken nothing out of context. The member to whom I was replying had disputed that slavery is at all permissible in Islam, so I cited a website that enjoys some popularity with other Muslim members I've spoken to that explains that it is permissible. The prescribed treatment of slaves is irrelevant to the question of whether slavery is permissible in the first place.



A slave is quite simply defined as a person who is the legal property of another person. Whatever provisions there are for their kind treatment and dignity are not relevant to the question of whether or not they are slaves. A slavemaster who treats his slaves well doesn't cease to be his slavemaster, however sentimentally he may feel towards his slaves.

If you feel that the term 'slave' does not do justice to the Islamic concept of slavery, you're free to question why they haven't invented a different word for it.