The eu needs Britain, Britain doesn't need the eu

Sigh.... that statement is about as smart as saying the world is flat.

You do know the days of the U.K. being a truly global super power and having influence as such are long gone? The EU would certainly take a hit if Britain left but Britain needs the EU far more thn they need us, it would be little more thn cutting off your nose to spite your face.

That is the president of the European commision's words just a few months ago.

Sigh.... that statement is about as smart as saying the world is flat.

You do know the days of the U.K. being a truly global super power and having influence as such are long gone? The EU would certainly take a hit if Britain left but Britain needs the EU far more thn they need us, it would be little more thn cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The UK still is a Global Superpower.

The UK still has territory around the world and it's doing a good job at protecting them, Just look back at the 1982 Falklands War. We could pull that off again once the new Aircraft Carriers are complete.

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Naive chest-banging, pretty much sums up the leave campaign.

The UK isn't a superpower by any standard. We defended a little island from a developing country 30 years ago. Hardly a great feat of strength, is it?

I don't even see how our military might is relevant. The fact is that you want to damage the EU and your own country, just to show the world how big your balls are. It's all a little bit pathetic.

Naive chest-banging, pretty much sums up the leave campaign.

The UK isn't a superpower by any standard. We defended a little island from a developing country 30 years ago. Hardly a great feat of strength, is it?

I don't even see how our military might is relevant. The fact is that you want to damage the EU and your own country, just to show the world how big your balls are. It's all a little bit pathetic.

Military might is relevant as it shows that a nation is able to protect itself and other nations without having to turn to others for help.

It's a feat of strength as the Argies had Exocet missiles which were a high tech weapon at the time also Argentina was very close to the islands so they could send much more frequent attacks than from 7,000 miles away in Britain.

A mighty military isn't going to solve the problems of a failing economy or eroded rights.

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A mighty military does show the strength of our nation and the UK needs this military presence as it has the role of protecting 14 British Overseas Territory's to give the people who live there and want to remain part of the UK reassurance.

Our economy isn't failing, the UK government is spending money which it receives on things that just ain't going to be used or won't be effective rather than opening opportunity for business.

Need an example?
The government wanted to waste money enforcing porn blocks. These won't work because all people need to do is get on a proxy and get round these blocks.

we have good rights in our country compared to other countries where there is a world between what rights the UK have and what they have.

So why should we hand our rights and laws to the EU when we can get out and go our own route.

My point is that our military strength isn't really relevant to the EU debate - I don't think anyone is wanting to stay in the EU to help us protect our territories. We already have NATO for that, and like you said, we could probably manage it on our own.

As for the economy, I was referring to what happens if we leave. Our military isn't going to do anything to mitigate the potential negative consequences.

I agree with you about our government, but surely that's a reason for staying in the EU? While our government is pumping out useless, damaging, costly legislation, the EU gives us progressive and useful legislation. Our human rights are provided by the EU, while our own government is trying to abolish them. Our consumer rights, and a lot of our workers' rights, come from the EU, and you'd be naive to think we'd keep them if we left the EU and gave full control to a Tory government.

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Why should the government decide the rights that people have anyway?

Why not let the people have a say rather than letting the elite deal with these problems, after all these rights affect the people at the end of the day so we should really get the chance to agree on such laws and rights before they are passed.

It doesn't take a government to make changes it takes the people to make changes and if we work hard enough we can get things changed much easier outside the EU than if we were in the EU.

The laws and rights that effect us are controlled by a limited number of people that could very likely present similar views on the laws and rights.

The EU isn't really trustworthy to deal with the laws and rights of the people as they like to change a lot of things for better and for worse.

The people know best not some elites who the laws and rights hardly effect.

If we get out the EU and make a mass movement as a nation things can change!

I think you're just dreaming, honestly. The Tories have a secure majority, they're in power for the next 4 years at least (probably longer), there's absolutely nothing we can do.

It's a nice idea that we take control and decide our own rights, but it's just not happening right now. Our choice is either the EU decides our rights, or the Tories do. I'd rather trust the union that gave us the Human Rights Act than the government that's currently trying to repeal it.