I think Britain is going to remain in the EU.

I've tried explaining this so many times but none of you Brexiters are willing to take it in. We leave the EU. We pull out of the single market. Trade decreases. Trade negotiations are exploited. Less investment. Shop prices go up. Inflation. Job losses. The pound falls. So much of our meat, fruit and vegetables is imported from the EU, and because the cost of importing it will increase if we leave, then so will food prices.

How about foreign countries outside of the EU no longer subjected to the Common External Tariff, so competition increases, driving down regional monopolies, decreasing food prices?

It'd be a real shame to destroy a progressive, mutually-beneficial union because some nationalists want to wave their cocks around, but I could see it happening. The polls have always been close, and Vote Leave seem to have bottomless pits of money to throw at advertising their cause. They also seem to lack any principles whatsoever, judging by all the lies they've managed to make common belief.

I'm curious ,which lies has leave managed to make common belief? I tried to work out what you meant and it's probably me but I just don't know .

And I'm not sure what you mean by progressive but I guess that's ok.

And I'm bound to point out that of course many outers are poor white uneducated English people who the politicians have scandalously ignored for many many years.

Do you really blame these people for making the most of their one chance to make their voices heard?
Edit actually you probably don't. You just don't want them to get what they want,just like the politicians

Yeh, because Parents always put their children first in a divorce.

Here's a list of 9.

By progressive, I mean that the EU has always introduced evidence-based policy that works. Our government is the opposite, spending £billions on policies that we knew wouldn't work before they introduced them, and we saw after they introduced them that they didn't work.



I'm a poor, white English person, and I'm the only person in my extended family with A levels. You're right, though, and I think it's really sad. The EU has been investing in the poorest areas of the country for decades, and they've introduced and protected workers' rights for the people that need it the most. Meanwhile our government has left half of the country to rot, and is actively trying to repeal huge portions of our rights, and yet they've somehow managed to convince these poor idiots that it's the EU that's out to get them.

By progressive, I mean that the EU has always introduced evidence-based policy that works. Our government is the opposite, spending £billions on policies that we knew wouldn't work before they introduced them, and we saw after they introduced them that they didn't work.

I'm a poor, white English person, and I'm the only person in my extended family with A levels. You're right, though, and I think it's really sad. The EU has been investing in the poorest areas of the country for decades, and they've introduced and protected workers' rights for the people that need it the most. Meanwhile our government has left half of the country to rot, and is actively trying to repeal huge portions of our rights, and yet they've somehow managed to convince these poor idiots that it's the EU that's out to get them.

Having gone through the list of lies I think they're a load of red herrings.

Obviously I can't read people's minds so this is just what I think to be likely from 1000s of comments I've read over the years and I really really don't think 90% of the people who will vote out will be doing so because of those lies.

In fact I think those lies are aimed at floating voters if anything.

The thing about those lies is that the other side can easily say they are lies and provide the facts. So what's the problem? Politicians lie. Almost everyone knows that.

Yes the EU has done a lot for poor people in Europe.Especially the ones that have been able to move here.

But I can tell you categorically that if I was a poor white uneducated Englishman there is only one thing I could even think of voting for. OUT.

Yes,they may well be worse off financially but of course what the remainers just don't get is its not all about MONEY.!!!!

Unfortunately however too many of them are disenfranchised.

Where exactly was the "evidence" on which the policy to introduce the single currency (without a concomitant political union) was "based"?

And how has it "worked."?

Are you so ill informed that you don't realise that this TERRIBLE decision has been a total catastrophe for Europe. Seriously??

How will Greece pay back its debt? What is the "evidence based" plan for that policy?

Is Germany ever going to write it off? Yes or no? Well?

The EU doesn't have any money to invest in the U. Not a single Euro. Not one It is ALL our money. You do realise that?

Your side has no confidence in your own ideals, or the power of your own principles to influence the British electorate .

You don't think you can persuade enough of them to vote for a Government to spend OUR money in a morally effective way.

So you are relying on the unelected Eurocrats to dispense (a part not all) of OUR money sent to the EU back to us as development funds.

I call that "sad", mate.

How dramatic. The Euro was an unfortunate mistake, but a catastrophe? Nah, not really. It barely even affects us because we aren't a part of the Eurozone. Pick out something more relevant to criticise.

You're absolutely right. The British electorate has repeatedly voted for a government that harms not just me, but most of the rest of the country too. People are far too easily manipulated, a lot of Tory voters are poor and don't even realize what they're voting for. So you're damn right I'll rely on the unelected Eurocrats that have done more good for this country than any British government in my life time.

If nobody actually knows what will happen, then why would you vote to leave?

Much of the Brexit campaign is based on lies, illicit political agendas and emotion.

As I've said before, free trade + membership of a 500-million-strong single market + freedom to travel, live, work in the EU without restrictions + job security + funding for scientific research and development (maybe that last one is only really important to people like me who are pursuing a career in STEM)

are infinitely more important to the average Briton's quality of life than ambiguous things like patriotism, taking back control (more like handing control to the wonderful Tories?) and, to some extent, even national identity.

The reason why Remain will win is that the British aren't foolish enough to believe Gove and Boris Johnson when they say that everything is going to be okay.

House prices will fall, food and product prices will go up (don't try to dispute this - it's common sense), inflation will happen, the pound will fall and jobs will be lost. The majority of us don't want to risk this, while simultaneously losing all the privileges of being an EU member state too.

PS. I'm not trying to attack you and you are obviously entitled to want to leave. .

There you have the Remain campaign in a nutshell. What a pitiful, craven, cowardly argument you all make. With nothing positive to say about our country, you implicitly accept what we all know, that the EU is a failing clusterf'ck.
Beyond reform.

But we can't leave because of fear. Not that bacon will cost 5 pence a pack more, but that there will be a housing crash, the worst depression since the hungry forties in the nineteenth century, with starvation and riots in the streets and a third world war.


The entire Remain campaign is based on lies and emotion. The emotion called fear.

You assume (because of the lies you have been told (see above) that all of these will cease to exist.

Everything will be up in the air if we leave. It will be a wonderful opportunity for us as a free nation to carve a fresh role for ourselves in the world. With new trade arrangements, new funding for scientific research, new collaborations, possibilities for our people.

Where you cower in fear and see only threat, I see opportunity.


There we have it also in a nutshell. You admit you have no patriotism, that this country means nothing to you.

I feel sorry for you, you are missing out trust me. but I put it to you that you are in a minority.

Maybe, maybe not. The two latest polls (released today) show a majority for leave.

You Gov Leave 45% (+ 6) Remain 41% (-1)

TNS Leave 43% Remain 41%

But the polls are all over the place. Unlike you I can't see the future.

If we do vote to stay that won't be the end of it. There will be a Neverendum.

You missed one! Merkel will invade if we vote to leave and there will be Panzers rumbling down Whitehall!

That's good of you to say.

When push comes to shove, I believe that the majority of undecided voters will realise that economic and job security is more important to them and their families than "taking back control" and what not, and they will vote to remain. Do people think Britain will leave or stay on the 23rd?

If nobody actually knows what will happen, then why would you vote to leave?

Much of the Brexit campaign is based on lies, illicit political agendas and emotion. As I've said before, free trade + membership of a 500-million-strong single market + freedom to travel, live, work in the EU without restrictions + job security + funding for scientific research and development (maybe that last one is only really important to people like me who are pursuing a career in STEM) are infinitely more important to the average Briton's quality of life than ambiguous things like patriotism, taking back control (more like handing control to the wonderful Tories?) and, to some extent, even national identity.

The reason why Remain will win is that the British aren't foolish enough to believe Gove and Boris Johnson when they say that everything is going to be okay. House prices will fall, food and product prices will go up (don't try to dispute this - it's common sense), inflation will happen, the pound will fall and jobs will be lost. The majority of us don't want to risk this, while simultaneously losing all the privileges of being an EU member state too.

PS. I'm not trying to attack you and you are obviously entitled to want to leave. I'm just saying.

This referendum should never have happened in the first place. Those Tory backbenchers want to fix something that isn't broken just for their personal political gain, and to do this they are scaring poor, vulnerable, impressionable people into supporting a Brexit. It's regrettable, but luckily the majority of us are not Brexit morons, and Britain is going to stay.