British women could face Cologne-style sex attacks if we stay in the EU, says Farage.

Migrants will go to the richer areas for handouts- no surprise there. But there is more to life quality than money. It's easier to integrate socially and to get a job in an English speaking environment.

You don't need to be on welfare to be a sex offender.

It could have happened like many other crimes happen, by taking place when the police is not there. If the sex attackers had eventually been dispersed and the situation brought under control by the police, do you think it would not have been news?

You have said that they don't want to integrate and that they will not learn the language of the country in which they live. You need to make a set of claims that is internally consistent, and then we can discuss it.


That is true and I can see more Rotherhams resulting from continued immigration of low IQ, low status men. But the question was can I see British Colognes and I cannot.


You can't commit hundreds of crimes in one place over a course of hours without the police turning up, unless the police aren't able or willing to turn up.

If there had been 1,000 sex attacks over the whole of Cologne - and perhaps there were! - we would not have heard about it. We heard about Cologne because for a few hours part of Cologne was controlled by a rapist militia. Not because a spectacularly large number of crimes occurred or because those crimes were spectacularly severe.

You have said that they don't want to integrate and that they will not learn the language of the country in which they live. You need to make a set of claims that is internally consistent, and then we can discuss it.

That is true and I can see more Rotherhams resulting from continued immigration of low IQ, low status men. But the question was can I see British Colognes and I cannot.

You can't commit hundreds of crimes in one place over a course of hours without the police turning up, unless the police aren't able or willing to turn up.If there had been 1,000 sex attacks over the whole of Cologne - and perhaps there were! - we would not have heard about it. We heard about Cologne because for a few hours part of Cologne was controlled by a rapist militia. Not because a spectacularly large number of crimes occurred or because those crimes were spectacularly severe.

These aren't just your common sexual assaults, these are assaults on massive scale.

We're talking about migrants here, not refugees.

I don't mean integrating in the sense of adapting. I mean integrating in the sense of being more able to influence society and part take in activities that appeal to you. Language is key for pretty much everything there is to do socially.

And why not? What is the fundamental difference?

If the migrants had instead taken over the train station and not permitted any person from passing, but not abused anybody, do you think it would have been worldwide news? What the police was or wasn't able to do was not primarily related to the notoriety of the event.

Hi Roast, not at all not at all. It could very likely happen and i am one of those complete believers that it DID happen in Germany. I'm just simply looking at it from an EU standpoint currently, especially how the INers have been accused of scare-mongering so much i wanted to get my teeth well and truly in when the outers such as Farage did it! It was a big mistake on the BREXIT side not to let Farage play a more central role compared to the likes of the toffs of Johnson and Gove....two people that are clearly attempting to climb the increasingly greasy tory-leadership ladder.

Whilst Farage is actually a brilliant and competent communicator regardless of whether or not one agrees with him.

On the topic at hand i feel that there does need to be some sort of cultural education for those who come over here, similarly to how we and other countries expect economic migrants to assimilate.

Best regards
Francis.

You really think it'd all be solved with some "cultural education"? Like a few lectures or in a class room?

That's really undermining the issue at hand.

There are a set of logically coherent possibilities and I don't think any of them result into a flood to the UK:1. the migrants are forward thinking, career minded, and intelligent and work hard to integrate -> they will get jobs and stay in Germany2. the migrants are welfare plankton -> they will stay in Germany unless the UK offers better welfare, which I do not think it does3. the migrants are career minded and hard working but hostile to Western culture and want to live in closed, homeland communities -> they will only leave their closed, homeland community in Germany is there is a bigger and better one in the UK, which seems unlikely unless they are Pakistani

Apart from both involving sex, and both being bad, I am not sure what they have in common. Should we throw Jimmy Saville into the basket as well?

I think it's also worth pointing out that, while the EU is one possible source of low IQ, low status immigrant men, most of them come from outside the EU, and are admitted by us voluntarily.

Yes I do think it would have been worldwide news.

You really think it'd all be solved with some "cultural education"? Like a few lectures or in a class room?

That's really undermining the issue at hand.

The migrants want a better life above all. That includes having access to the main culture, which is much easier to achieve if the main culture is in English.

For sure, and if deeper EU integration occurs, migrant quotas will become a reality. Incidentally, the EU is shipping Africans and other migrants to Europe as we speak with Operation Sophia.

Then surely you must have an example of equal notoriety that doesn't involve sexual assaults. I can easily think of strikes and other government protests that the police can't control that don't become worldwide news for that matter.

It's amazing how Farage and right wingers have suddenly discovered a great concern for issues like women's safety, the NHS, low pay, the housing crisis.

If Britain leaves the EU, will they still champion these issues or will they forget all about them and revert to telling us that feminism has gone too far, the NHS should be privatised, raising the minimum wage will cause unemployment so we need lower wages, young people aren't entitled to a house etc

It's already been happening and it doesn't have so much to do with the EU. The majority of these sex/grooming gangs (whatever you want to call them) are from South Asian (mainly Pakistani/Muslim) backgrounds:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Doublet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_sex_gang

Actually, there have been cases of migrants in Norway who rape after going these ridiculous sexual education classes.

People can try and enter the UK for two reasons.
1. They have a valid visa. We are bliged to let in citizens from the EU, although they cna be subject to passport control. Farage is claiming that being in the EU somehow puts us at risk and that leaving we will not be at such risk.

If we wnat to restrict EU citizens coming to the UK on Brexit, then we will have to concede that we will not be allowed access o the EU single market in any trade negotiations, becayse free movement of people is central to that.

2. The other reason we might accept people is because they are refugees. they can try to claim asylum in the UK as part of the convention. This was part of the reason Merkel let in so many. People that arent classed as refugees i,e economic migrants are deported.

Farages claim that leaving the EU would make a difference is a red herring as the 1951 convention is not a piece of EU legislation , its an independent internatlonal convention , which we would be signed up to whether we were in or out of the EU. We could ofc withdraw from that and any other international convention or treaty, but until we do, then we are bound to abide by it. In this respect we have to consider asultum claims from people claiming it.

Your point was that relatively few of them are refugees.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-april-to-june-2015/asylum

The UK has decided that it will take 4,000 per year over the next 5 years, that may or may not include 3,000 children. Germany took between hundreds of thousands and up to 1m.

Top 5 nationalities applying for asylum, year ending June 2015 compared with year ending June 2014 Ranking year ending June 2015 (Year ending June 2014) Nationality Year ending June 2014 Year ending June 2015 Grant rates based on initial decisions (1) 1 (2) Eritrea 2,113 3,568 73% 2 (1) Pakistan 3,088 2,302 22% 3 (4) Syria 1,688 2,204 87% 4 (3) Iran 2,033 2,049 57% 5 (8) Sudan 938 1,799 83%

Whether we are in or out of the EU it doesnt make any difference in respect of asylum seekers.
If you want to stop EU citizens coming, then you lose access to the single market along with the eonomic implications of that.

You have completely missed the point.

Interesting you mention cologne. Its very interesting how those accused are labelled as "suspected" and nothing definitive to this day has been proven. Where are the mass arrests??Hardly any of the so called mass rapists have been jailed..why? Lack of evidence of sexual assault from these so called "rape" victims.

Its a smear tactic. Germany doesn't want migrants.

As per usual Nigel Farage is talking complete ****. If we leave the EU we'll have a flood of migrants coming in through the Eurotunnel and into Dover from Calais. Because we're in the EU the French have an obligation to protect our border which starts in Calais. They are taking responsibility of our border and stopping migrants from coming in. If we leave, they no longer have to..so you put two and two together.