Why do leave voters keep saying the EU is undemocratic?

Does the UK fully represent everyones constituency? Of course not. But it's interests are better realised as part of a collective body in the wider UK.

If my constituency were to secede from the UK it would theoretically be far more accountable and democratic, but in turn it would be costly, inefficient and would ultimately weaken them- leaving them to losing the gains made in the first place.

So it is within the EU. I see the EU as a Social Contract among states.

1a-d: Well that is the case for all the big countries. That is to allow for smaller countries such as Malta to have a voice.

In the same way, the Shetland Islands also have an equal voice to a London Borough, even if it contains less people.

Like with the UK Parliament. The EU Parliament can dismiss the Commission and reject legislation. It isn't really any different.

2a-d The Commission is like the cabinet. The UK cabinet is not voted in. It is chosen. Well, obviously, the commisioner must act in the best interests of Europe. That would be like complaining, the Health Minister cannot build an extra hospital in his borough.

If you want to claim the EU is undemocratic then you have to claim that the UK is as well. ..... House of Lords anyone?

its basically leave supporters regurgitating Gove/Farage/Johnson/IDS's flawed rhetoric, they have no actual understanding to what it means to its core, like most issues about a Brexit

But how can you get representation in the EU if we have so little power in the EU?

Yes, we have representation in the EP, but our representation amounts to nothing (very little.)

"Like with the UK Parliament. The EU Parliament can dismiss the Commission and reject legislation."

But MPs in the House of Commons can propose, repeal or amend legislation, can't they / can they not?

"The Commission is like the cabinet."

But the EC is officially supposed to work in the EU's interest.

"House of Lords anyone?"

Did you read point 2 in criticism?

But how can you get representation in the EU if we have so little power in the EU?

Yes, we have representation in the EP, but our representation amounts to nothing (very little.)

Why should we have more representation than we already do? Why should we have more representation than other larger EU economies?

1c) The UK only has 9.72% of the voting power. (73 / 751 x 100)
1d) The UK population constitutes 12.74% of the EU population."

Does the UK fully represent everyones constituency? Of course not. But it's interests are better realised as part of a collective body in the wider UK.

If my constituency were to secede from the UK it would theoretically be far more accountable and democratic, but in turn it would be costly, inefficient and would ultimately weaken them- leaving them to losing the gains made in the first place.

So it is within the EU. I see the EU as a Social Contract among states.

So why don't you take 5 minutes out of your time and explain why my points were wrong, instead of making point, point, point and doing nothing to substantiate your claim?

Did you read my post?

It's exactly the same with my constituency being represented in the UK Parliament where my constituency Is one out of 650. But it would be sheer stupidly for my constituency to go it alone

But how can you get representation in the EU if we have so little power in the EU?

Yes, we have representation in the EP, but our representation amounts to nothing (very little.)

No one's saying it isn't undemocratic, but democracy is overrated. I trust some people in Brussels, who are out of the media spotlight, who aren't forced to bow to political pressure or media pressure to appease their supporters, to make laws rather than a labour or tory government. The EU laws have helped raise Europe-wide standards, and there isn't a single law that has been passed which is genuinely threatening, but we have this constant threat of 'changing human rights' by the tories over here, I don't know much about it to the core, but you get the point. The tories wanted to force all schools to become academies, and they're taxing higher on sugar - both for no particular reason other than to milk a bit of extra money somewhere down the line. Not to mention the life-damaging policies like raising tuition fees. I think it can be argued on some occasions that the EU gives us more democracy and more rights by preventing our own government from making absurd laws - which I don't think wouldn't be expected of our current government.

And you mentioned it yourself, the House of Lords, the royal family... unelected. But so what? 'Undemocratic' is the new 'racism' or the new 'marxism' - words that people like you throw out into the crowd and everyone shies away from like its cancer. The truth is, it doesn't matter and its the least important issue on the table. What's more important is the economic implications a Brexit will have on us, farmers, fishermen, etc will lose out from the EU, our economy will shrink, we will have less influence on the world stage, we will be forced to accept EU-Britain trade deals without having control over them. The motto is "vote leave, take control" but the reality is we lose control if we leave, we step into the unknown with some vague hopes that we are able to adopt a Canada or Denmark style deal, well those things are explicitly far from ideal. We have people complaining about immigration, leaving the EU doesn't put the brakes on immigration, it just concentrates it to non-Eu immigrants.

It is no wonder that the only four prominent buffoons who support a Brexit are the three tory rebels and Farage, three of whom likely don't even care about whether or not we leave and just want more tory power.