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Original post by SeanFM
No STEP :hide: it might've helped improve my mathematical ability by a lot :tongue:

I was struggling with algebra, but have been done with that since last semester.

Been struggling with analysis the past two, barely passed the first semester and not sure I'll pass the one I sat this time. Also struggled with an accounting module. I have no one to blame but myself, for my laziness and lack of interest :tongue: but oh well, lessons learnt for the future.


On a scale of 1 to 10, how high would you rate your work ethic?
(No I'm not initiating a game of 20 questions :biggrin:)
Original post by john2054
Yes we do have to make arguments, yes we have to justify what we are doing, have you heard of a literature review, we have to do those sometimes, which includes a review of the journals and other written publications to our research. No one is question the calibre or accuracy of your degree, but what i am challenging is your assumption that just because you are doing a male degree, makes it anyhow better than a female one. In another world i could have done a maths based degree, and gone in to this realm, however life happened, and i ended up taking sociology single honours, and then adding a theatre studies minor to it after the first year.

Again you are doing a good stem degree, which is rewarding and challenging. And degrees which are stem, clearly are more subjective and less scientifically rigorous by their very nature. All of this you can take for a given.

But what i refuse to accept is your presumption that STEM is somehow superior to English, and theatre, and sociology and psychology and the humanities by it's very nature.

Thats like saying a PhD graduate is not a doctor, because they have not done medicine. Actually a phd student is a doctor, just a different specialism. Having a phd is above a bachelor's degree. In fact any phd, assuming it's not a really pathetic one, is better than any bachelors degree, stem or whatever. Would you agree with this statement at least>?


All I've seen so far is you two keep making assumptions about my views. I've never said that I think what I'm doing is superior at all. That's purely assumption on your path because me saying social sciences are not real sciences isn't me saying I thing my degree is better.
I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this argument and has nothing to do with me.

I've never said anything about male and female degrees or phds and not being a real doctor, that's all you and I have no idea where you're coming up with these things from.
Original post by Ras' Al Ghul
All I've seen so far is you two keep making assumptions about my views. I've never said that I think what I'm doing is superior at all. That's purely assumption on your path because me saying social sciences are not real sciences isn't me saying I thing my degree is better.
I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this argument and has nothing to do with me.

I've never said anything about male and female degrees or phds and not being a real doctor, that's all you and I have no idea where you're coming up with these things from.


These were analogies. (Do you need for me to explain to you what that word means as well? It's definition?)
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Original post by Ras' Al Ghul
All I've seen so far is you two keep making assumptions about my views. I've never said that I think what I'm doing is superior at all. That's purely assumption on your path because me saying social sciences are not real sciences isn't me saying I thing my degree is better.
I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this argument and has nothing to do with me.

I've never said anything about male and female degrees or phds and not being a real doctor, that's all you and I have no idea where you're coming up with these things from.


Somebody who claims to be doing an expert degree, but doesn't even know basic English. Sounds about right!??
The assumption I was talking about in your case was that you saying that I'm a master of psychology and claiming to be an aficionado in statistics, things which I've never claimed to be.
Original post by john2054
These were analogies. (Do you need for me to explain to you what that word means as well? It's definition?)


Yes, I know they were analogies but I have no idea why you brought them up because nobody was talking about medicine or doctors or social sciences being female dominated and stem being male dominated so they came out of the blue.

Your attempts to belittle me aren't working.
Original post by john2054
Somebody who claims to be doing an expert degree, but doesn't even know basic English. Sounds about right!??


See post above this.
Original post by Ras' Al Ghul
Yes, I know they were analogies but I have no idea why you brought them up because nobody was talking about medicine or doctors or social sciences being female dominated and stem being male dominated so they came out of the blue.

Your attempts to belittle me aren't working.


I'm not attempting to belittle you.

Okay let's reverse engineer this argument, into the ad hominem which is typically used in these debates.

I have a wife of eight years, and a step daughter who i have supported for the last three. I have been a homemaker for five years, and am also an author and recovery schizophrenia patient for over ten. In 1997 i broke my neck and was in a coma for ten days, being three on the life reading scale.

And you have done a stem degree. Big whhoopie hoo,
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Original post by john2054
I'm not attempting to belittle you.

Okay let's reverse engineer this argument, into the ad hominem which is typically used in these debates.

I have a wife of eight years, and a step daughter who i have supported for the last three. I have been a homemaker for five years, and am also an author and recovery schizophrenia patient for over ten. In 1997 i broke my neck and was in a coma for ten days, being three on the life reading scale.

And you have done a stem degree. Big whhoopie hoo,


Again, I'm saying I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this debate and it has nothing to do with me.

All the other stuff you said is relevant how?
Original post by Ras' Al Ghul
Again, I'm saying I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this debate and it has nothing to do with me.

All the other stuff you said is relevant how?


ii reverse engineered an ad hominem attack. in other words put my own trials up against your degree. And i comparison doing an engineering degree is a walk in the park i'm afraid. Try rereading what i wrote thanks.

This is the second time you have failed to grasp the meaning of my posts. Which again suggests that whatever they teach you at your university, it does not fully develop the mind and character/consciousness i'm afraid.

When we do a degree we are expected to grow as characters and individuals, also becoming adults and more fully rounded people in the process.

And don't just say 'i don't see the relevance of this'. Go read a novel.
Original post by john2054
ii reverse engineered an ad hominem attack. in other words put my own trials up against your degree. And i comparison doing an engineering degree is a walk in the park i'm afraid. Try rereading what i wrote thanks.

This is the second time you have failed to grasp the meaning of my posts. Which again suggests that whatever they teach you at your university, it does not fully develop the mind and character/consciousness i'm afraid.

When we do a degree we are expected to grow as characters and individuals, also becoming adults and more fully rounded people in the process.

And don't just say 'i don't see the relevance of this'. Go read a novel.


So we're back to insults again wow. This is clearly going NO WHERE and you seem angry at the world because of the things that has happened to you.
Your experiences has nothing to do with my degree and affect my ability to perform in any way at all. I don't know if you want me to say well because you've been through a lot it's some sort of "excuse" for you doing a non STEM degree and that you otherwise would've been able to do a STEM degree. Because that makes no sense to me. Also using the words reverse engineer like that is not the correct usage of the phrase.

This would be the LAST time I am responding to any of your posts with personal attacks. I think you've veered so far off the topic at hand I wouldn't bother responding to you at all.
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Original post by john2054
What are you talking about, of course we have had to learn theories and apply knowledge. But it goes further than that. You are expected to use your initiative, and actually develop original and interesting ideas and contributions to your thesis. Which is something that places these subjects, above pure science i'm afraid.


Come on now. You can't say there is no creativity and need for initiative in science and you especially can say it about maths.
Please elaborate though if you feel I am wrong.
Original post by SeanFM
No STEP :hide: it might've helped improve my mathematical ability by a lot :tongue:

I was struggling with algebra, but have been done with that since last semester.

Been struggling with analysis the past two, barely passed the first semester and not sure I'll pass the one I sat this time. Also struggled with an accounting module. I have no one to blame but myself, for my laziness and lack of interest :tongue: but oh well, lessons learnt for the future.

lost interest in your course?
Original post by Yousf
What university are you studying Economics at?


I'm studying at UCL
Original post by Ras' Al Ghul
Isn't that just making an argument for your case because surely you'll have to justify why you're doing what you're doing.

You're wrong, design in engineering requires a lot of creativity and it's not something you would find in a book so again you're talking about things you don't know about. You keep saying pure science as if you're trying to avoid engineering but it's a part of STEM too and science in general.


Pot meet kettle
I'm at Uni of Bath studying maths, and I really didn't find it THAT big of a jump - it's definitely do-able!
People said the jump from GCSE to AS would be big but the jump from AS to A2 was a joke😭 I can only imagine uni
Original post by john2054
i don't agree with this. not at all


Why? Quantum physics and quantum chemistry is probably the one of the hardest subjects on earth to get your head around conceptually. What in the social sciences or humanities is hard to understand? You are dealing with macro things that you can see with your own eyes, throw in a ton of formulae, equations and it becomes increasingly difficult
You can't see the human mind with your own eyes, that makes it hard to understand. Social sciences are difficult in that there is no specific answer. The exam will literally ask a question in one sentence and you have to answer in about 6 pages. It's not easy at all, especially with so little information.
Year 1 is typically pretty easy and is used to get everyone up to speed/at the same level, plus a bit of introductory stuff for your course.

From year 2 onwards it becomes substantially more difficult.

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