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question 6d

So far i've gotten t=2342\dfrac{3}{4} but i've subbed this into the formula for the position vector of s at time t to get 7i + 117/8 j
help not sure where to go from here

Edit:also i need help with this question too
Question 7 d
I drew my diagram with acceleration now going left instead of right because the question says that the system decelerates but in the answer the arrow for acceleration goes right why is this?

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Edit2:question 6 c
i'm managed to draw a diagram and deduce that time 2 position vectors are -2i at 10:00 and -5i+4j at 10:30 however although my diagram tells me that the j component of L is 0 i don't know how to find the i component.

Edit3: question 7c ii no idea where to start
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Original post by Big white
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question 6d

So far i've gotten t=2342\dfrac{3}{4} but i've subbed this into the formula for the position vector of s at time t to get 7i + 117/8 j
help not sure where to go from here

Edit:also i need help with this question too
Question 7 d
I drew my diagram with acceleration now going left instead of right because the question says that the system decelerates but in the answer the arrow for acceleration goes right why is this?

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Edit2:question 6 c
i'm managed to draw a diagram and deduce that time 2 position vectors are -2i at 10:00 and -5i+4j at 10:30 however although my diagram tells me that the j component of L is 0 i don't know how to find the i component.

Edit3: question 7c ii no idea where to start


In response to your questions.

Original post by Big white
question 6d So far i've gotten t=2342\dfrac{3}{4} but i've subbed this into the formula for the position vector of s at time t to get 7i + 117/8 j help not sure where to go from here


This is absolutely correct. Therefore the distance of S from the lighthouse is 117812.5=2.125\frac{117}{8}-12.5=2.125km as they have the same i component.

Original post by Big white
also i need help with this question tooQuestion 7 dI drew my diagram with acceleration now going left instead of right because the question says that the system decelerates but in the answer the arrow for acceleration goes right why is this?


You are correct that it goes to the left. This is negative acceleration and the mark scheme has negative acceleration with the forces acting to the left.

Original post by Big white
Edit2:question 6 ci'm managed to draw a diagram and deduce that time 2 position vectors are -2i at 10:00 and -5i+4j at 10:30 however although my diagram tells me that the j component of L is 0 i don't know how to find the i component.


The j component of the lighthouse is 0. Now consider this question. If the lighthouse is southwest of the ship it should have a position vector of r=5i+4j+k(ij)r=-5i+4j+k(-i-j) given that the j component is 0, find the value of k and therefore find the position vector of the lighthouse.

Original post by Big white
question 7c ii no idea where to start

When the velocity is parallel to i3j-i-3j the velocity must satisfy the equation (12t)i+(3t3)j=k(i3j)(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j=k(-i-3j) use the same principle descried above by splitting into the respective i and j components to set up 2 simultaneous equations.
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Reply 2
Original post by Cryptokyo
In response to your questions.



This is absolutely correct. Therefore the distance of S from the lighthouse is 117812.5=2.125\frac{117}{8}-12.5=2.125km as they have the same i component.



You are correct that it goes to the left. This is negative acceleration and the mark scheme has negative acceleration with the forces acting to the left.



The j component of the lighthouse is 0. Now consider this question. If the lighthouse is southwest of the ship it should have a position vector of r=5i+4j+k(ij)r=-5i+4j+k(-i-j) given that the j component is 0, find the value of k and therefore find the position vector of the lighthouse.


When the velocity is parallel to i3j-i-3j the velocity must satisfy the equation (12t)i+(3t3)j=k(i3j)(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j=k(-i-3j) use the same principle descried above by splitting into the respective i and j components to set up 2 simultaneous equations.


I see thanks, i didn't see that.

Since the acceleration goes to the left and the resistive forces also goes to the left, how can there be a difference in signs? which ever way you define positive in the signs will be the same for both sides, yet i know that deceleration is negative acceleration, so where does the negative sign come in? Edit: <---- i know how silly that sounds, i got it now :smile:(this question anyway)

Where does this come from??? How did you make it? Is there a rule which allows you to construct that??

Again, i don't know where you've gotten that equation from also how am i supposed to solve it??? i can't see any way to do it.
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Original post by Big white


Where does this come from??? How did you make it? Is there a rule which allows you to construct that??

Again, i don't know where you've gotten that equation from also how am i supposed to solve it??? i can't see any way to do it.


When a vector is parallel to the vector xi+yjxi+yj it can differ in magnitude hence the vector must be equal to k(xi+yj)k(xi+yj) where kk is a constant term.
For the example of 7 c i on the M1 silver paper, the velocity is parallel to the vector 0i+j0i+j hence the vector v=(12t)i+(3t3)jv=(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j must be equal to k(0i+j)k(0i+j) so (12t)i+(3t3)j=0i+kj(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j=0i+kj.
By considering the i components of the vector only you obtain 12t=01-2t=0 so t=0.5t=0.5.
I know you can already do that bit but it is important to understand.

For 7 c ii the velocity, v=(12t)i+(3t3)jv=(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j, is parallel to the vector i3j-i-3j so we say that (12t)i+(3t3)j=k(i3j)(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j=k(-i-3j)
By considering the i components only you get the equation 12t=k1-2t=-k and by considering only the j components you get the equation 3t3=3k3t-3=-3k.
By subbing the first equation into the other you get 3t3=3(12t)3t-3=3(1-2t) hence 9t=69t=6 so t=23 t=\frac{2}{3}
Reply 4
Original post by Cryptokyo
When a vector is parallel to the vector xi+yjxi+yj it can differ in magnitude hence the vector must be equal to k(xi+yj)k(xi+yj) where kk is a constant term.
For the example of 7 c i on the M1 silver paper, the velocity is parallel to the vector 0i+j0i+j hence the vector v=(12t)i+(3t3)jv=(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j must be equal to k(0i+j)k(0i+j) so (12t)i+(3t3)j=0i+kj(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j=0i+kj.
By considering the i components of the vector only you obtain 12t=01-2t=0 so t=0.5t=0.5.
I know you can already do that bit but it is important to understand.

For 7 c ii the velocity, v=(12t)i+(3t3)jv=(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j, is parallel to the vector i3j-i-3j so we say that (12t)i+(3t3)j=k(i3j)(1-2t)i+(3t-3)j=k(-i-3j)
By considering the i components only you get the equation 12t=k1-2t=-k and by considering only the j components you get the equation 3t3=3k3t-3=-3k.
By subbing the first equation into the other you get 3t3=3(12t)3t-3=3(1-2t) hence 9t=69t=6 so t=23 t=\frac{2}{3}


Right i just put it equal to 0 since there was no j component(since it was 0)

Ok thanks i understand now

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