Eu: In or out?

meh tbh you have to be quite naive to think that with all the money and power injected into the EU, the referendum isn't rigged...

Worth a shot at least, no point being defeatist about it

unless you're a coward at least

In no way am I attempting to minimise or deride what you said or any aspect of British Culture all I wanted was for you too explain your points better otherwise it looks like you made groundless accusations.

It's Germany that's carrying everyone in the EU... We benefit from them

No, this is a common misconception. Firstly the Germans set up the EMU (Euro) so that it benefited them most of all so they are doing the most damage to the EU. See Reuters Report: Analysis - What Euro bailouts? Eurocrisis saves Germany money. and as Norman Lamont said of the German position: "At Maastricht, one of the Germans’ main objectives was to secure a “no bail-out” clause to joining a single currency, because they were worried about the large indebtedness of Italy. But the logic of currency union is that the strong countries should assist the weaker ones."

Secondly, German growth figures have been quite pedestrian:


The Germans are running an aggressively mercantilist economy, they are predators. Fortunately it is not doing them that much good! They are also happy with the EU because they evolved a State system under the Holy Roman Empire (which only ended in the 17th Century) that could resist the type of central controls and cultural homogenisation that can occur in parts of an Imperium such as the EU.

I was initially going to vote in but after watching this i'm going to vote out. Those are some solid points.

As I said in my post, there was bound to be someone who would want to take apart the attributes of a national culture item by item and deride or minimise each one. But such an analysis is pointless, as I will demonstrate:

Of course the British trading system is no different from a given tribe of Amazonian indigent indians, they both use a medium of exchange so how could I declare that there is anything unique in British culture?

Of course there are complex trials where juries are left confused and the Germans might manage these well, therefore the German system is better than that in the UK so how could I declare British trials to be of any worth?

Of course the British trading tradition pales into insignificance compared with the operation of the Dutch East India company.... and so on.

All true. But I was in Genoa a few months back and I can absolutely assure you that there is a wide cultural difference between the Genoese and the people of Salisbury. A vast difference. It was wonderful, so interesting compared with some of the homogenised cities of N. Europe since the EEC squashed them all.

This is why I am not going to debate the component parts of a cultural atmosphere. As I have said all along such an analysis is pointless. It misses the nature of culture entirely, it is like discussing a Van Gogh in terms of the chemical composition of the paint. The only reason for reducing the debate to such minutiae would be that you know beforehand that such a diversion will make it appear as if there are no cultural differences.

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I've spent a lot of time in Brittany and when I compare that region of France to where I live now (North West England) there are differences but nothing that would mean that we can't have open borders or interact with them.

The greetings can be different and so can the eating times and the EU hasn't stopped or prevented that all it has done is cause more people to move around and share there cultures. I've travelled a fair bit around Europe and I've been to large cities and rural areas (I went to Corfu last summer and I met a couple who make wine and olive oil using traditional technique's) and the Culture is alive and well.

As for the ports services regulation, I checked how our MEPS voted using this site: (http://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-market-access-to-port-services-and-financial-transparency-of-ports-draft-legislative-resolution-vote-2.html) and 1 of our MEPS voted in favour and 7 were absent or chose not to vote. However out MEPs did vote overwhelmingly to reject it so I took a look at how other countries voted in total, (Also who are our allies exactly?) the only ones to reject the proposal other than us were: Poland and spain (with cyprus being 50/50). Our usual allies I suspect are the Netherlands, Ireland, Sweden and Denmark. They voted as such: (For:Against) 17:7 9:1 14:2 10:1 respectively. So the EU parliament did as it should pass bills that it sees as the best for the common good of the EU as a whole and not a particular nation. Looking into this regulation I found that the reason it's is believed that it will have a negative impact on our ports and not continental ports is due to the fact that many of our own ports a privately owned whereas continental ports tend to be state/council owned. So even if this will have a negative impact (I couldn't find anything telling me that it would be highly damaging (I couldn't find any figures and got bored while researching this)) we're just gonna have to deal with it if it's going to have a positive impact on the rest of the EU. Plus one bill that we vote overwhelmingly against will happen from time to time but it is quite rare I believe we can't just have every thing that we like about the EU and reject every negative. (was gonna type some more but I reckon my post is long enough)

Utterly nauseating. Anti-patriotic, smug, self-righteous little slimeball. I suppose he is unaware of French colonial history, or the collusion of large portions of the continent in a hideous genocide more recently than the empire, or how British colonies ended up freer, happier and better off than anyone elses. I guess he is also aware of large sectors of Europe that have attitudes to race even over 100years behind ours, and the enthusiasm for neo-nazism that is not uncommon in Eastern Europe. He makes me sick, and confirms my views that people like this always want our country to take a hit. They hate it.

Apparently according to paper's i've read recently it suggests alot of students are going to vote in, and the majority of brexiters are middle aged to pensioners.
I'm personally a brexiter but apparently i'm in the minority. Also if we did vote to leave, who would be prime minister , david cameron or someone else?

So doing a few straw poll's because i'm interested so see if that's true.