So gay people are now being targeted by Islamic extremists in their own countries?

So you support wars in the middle east that will and have killed many innocents, cause a never ending wellspring of terrorists, which are futile and unwinnable long term?

And would I right in thinking that you see Trump or Farage or anyone who wants to secure our borders as a bigot or fascist?

If you wanted gay people to be safer, you would not advocate wars and open borders and immigration, all of which worsen the problem.

I'm not worried. I grieve for their deaths but this changes nothing. We've clipped 30,000 of those f*ckers in airstrikes, and we'll kill another 1000 over the next week as government officials order retaliation for this crime.

Except we are winning this war. People like you claimed we would find it impossible to roll back ISIS, that we should just allow them to finish off the Yezidis and Kurds and sit back with our arms folded.

We were right and you were wrong. Of the 31,000 killed in Western airstrikes about 3% are civilians, far less civilians than would have been killed if those 30,000 terrorists had been allowed to live.

Frankly, the idea that we should have just allowed the Iraqi state to collapse in mid-2014 is the kind of childish nonsense you hear from the kind of person who has never had to make a hard decision in their life.



What are you babbling about? I support an Australian-style points system. You sound hysterical, calm down.



Yup, because ISIS never killed a gay person before August 2014. And of course what you are proposing is that we should leave all those gay people in ISIS controlled areas, all the Yezidis, all the Kurds and Christians, to be slaughtered. So your proclaimed concern for gay people's safety is dishonest at best

Muslim attitudes have changed since the 7th century. Okay the religious scriptures has played a part in homosexual discrimination, it has also been culture - as Islam has a strong and Arabian core influence. However these have changed, as we have moved towards the modern era's.

Am I included in this collective pronoun? Because I don't remember personally dropping any bombs or giving any orders to do so.

Bang on find another muslim thread

Bang on find another muslim thread

And here is a post of mine challenging the common interpretation of the Quran in regards to homosexuality:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4052083&page=8&p=64507571#post64507571

The first section is just sod all to do with anything I'm talking about. The last section is just incomprehensible

I will come back to this and add more about what I meant.

It doesn't matter what it was about, it matters what it was used to justify. Christians and Jews took that story to justify the prohibition of all homosexual conduct, whether consensual or not. The Muslims spoke of the story of the Lottites in that context. And the view that it prohibits all such conduct is the very clear, mainstream and continuous interpretation since the 7th century

Rep-whore.

Let me put your mind at ease; the absolute last thing I'm worried about on a day like today is "blaspheming" against a non-existent sky dictator

Not talking to you

If you can't see the relevance, and you find it all a bit incomprehensible, then clearly you have issues with reading comprehension, and with basic logic and disputation. As such, I don't see it's really to my profit to further engage with you



Please don't. I'm really not that interested in what you have to say

Indeed many Muslims are concerned about "blasphemy". We saw that "concern" expressed to the poor victims of the Charlie Hebdo massacre



There is no such misrepresentation. Whatever the story said, in the 7th century Sodom and Gamorrah was shorthand for homosexual conduct. In fact, it still was 1000 years later.

About Islamic extremists actually, but if you want to conflate them with Muslims then go ahead.

And is that all you're worried about after this shooting: 'another muslim thread'?