Latest You Gov poll shows 7% majority for Leave

Leave: 46% (+3)Remain: 39% (-3)Don’t Know: 11% (nc)Would Not Vote: 4% (nc)

Source: Guido Fawkes website

Yesssss!! We can really do this guys!

Yes, the more likely Leave goes through, the more turbulent the markets are becoming and the more evident the economic impact is going to be. Over £110bn wiped off the Uk markets alone over the past week when Remain odds have shortened from 70% to 57%, and the markets starting to tank.

Still who cares right.... right?

Leave: 46% (+3)Remain: 39% (-3)Don’t Know: 11% (nc)Would Not Vote: 4% (nc)

Source: Guido Fawkes website

Yesssss!! We can really do this guys!

Yes I did, Hargreaves Lansdowne is not an IB and say that the impacts may not be 'as negative' as expected - it's mere suggestion that the market acts in different ways to the consensus.

Comes back to the point that no-one knows, but yet again you have not provided proof of an IB saying there will be no impact/positive impact.

This is so ironic. You allow explanations, clarifications, and counter arguments to the undemocratic aspects of the UK, and yet with the EU it's a one-way street. E.g. that MEPs have to vote something through and they are elected is completely irrelevant, is it? Because muh council wasn't elected. Well it was, each member states appoints a member of their choosing, don't like yours, vote for a different party so they can appoint someone else.

I won't argue with someone who goes about it with false information, blindness, and double standards.

Anyway, at the end of the day, you are just a selfish nationalist. I almost want you to leave just so we are rid of people like you, except that would be unfair to all those who can actually think, who aren't into isolationism.

I've made that point on other threads . You said that we would be stronger outside the EU. That's a statement that can't be proved true.

All I've said is that, the only certainty is that we will be worse off economically in the short-term. Many businesses have already talked about shifting staff in some cases to mainland Europe, and the uncertainty will act to cut investment rates.

So, versus staying in EU, we will have, from leaving:
- A decidedly negative short-term impact.
- An unknown long-term impact.
That's not exactly what I would call a compelling economic case for leaving.

There is such a stupid misconception to which you just gave an example.

Each member state nominates s.o. to be a commissioner, but it is illegal for a commissioner to work on behalf of a member state; they must work on behalf of the EU.

That means they're not a representative because representatives work or speak on behalf of s.o. else.

Actually respond to this argument instead of ignoring it when you realise you're wrong.

And sayign "we would be eaker in the EU in the long-term" is also a statement that can't be proved true; that's why we're having this debate so we can hopefully make an informed decision as to what we should do.

Yes, the burden of proof can be said to be more on us (brexiteers), but that doesn't invalidate the premise of the argument and the referendum.

That's such a laughable appeal to patriotism... The UK used to be driving force, it's not any more, and appealing to past events for future precedent in this case is entirely useless.

By 'UK Markets' you actually mean the FTSE 100.


These gigantic 100 multinational companies deal a lot with the EU and so the uncertainty will affect them disproportionately. Indeed, only 6% of our businesses trade with the EU. The other 94% will be rejoicing over the cutting of red tape and the possibility of other markets opening up.

Let these multinationals fend for themselves, let's look to the small/medium businesses that make up the majority of our companies.


Also, an interesting article from the left-leaning Indy on the speculation in the financial markets.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/eu-referendum-money-brexit-leave-remain-investors-pound-sterling-trading-stock-market-equities-a7081036.html

Edit your post when you realize you have written complete garbage.

Now let's see.

We present a patriotic case for restoring the country's sovereignty and regaining our ability to be a self governing, proud, economically successful nation.

And you talk the UK down, say the country is as good as finished can't survive without being ruled by a bunch of second rate, drunken, unelected Eurocrats.

(AND what's more, us leaving the EU will cause world war three and the end of western political civilisation. )

Yet we are seven points ahead in the polls?

How could that be?

There is one campaign that is turning out to be laughable and it isn't ours...

Yes but I never said we would be weaker in the long-term. You, however, said we would be stronger.

I choose my words carefully

Fairly depressing news for those of us who want a modern, progressive country with a strong economy and a forward-looking internationalist posture. Most of the Leave leadership are either hopeless nostalgics stuck in the 1950s (or advocating that - people like Nigel Farage) or are far-right ideologically extreme Tories who resent any kind of regulation and want to collapse worker's rights and terminate the state. (Michael Gove, Ian Duncan-Smith)

I know you didn't

I'm simply saying that isn't a good enough reason to discredit this entire debate.

Most smaller businesses are not affected by most EU regulation, as they are exempt from a lot of it. The larger businesses that are affected are all strongly pro-EU almost without exception, which should tell you something.

When you say "let the multinationals fend for themselves", you mean you will be happy to see about 2m jobs walk out of the country as the major car manufacturers relocate?

Do you think BMW, Nissan, Toyota, etc, etc are going to stay here if the UK leaves?