Owen Jones embarrasses himself on Sky News debate about Orlando

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Reply 100

user382

Good.

Reply 101

xylas

Original post by joecphillips

Dismissing other people's arguments because of their orientation will result in you being yelled at.

Don't see your point. That wasn't her reason, nor is it a good reason to yell at someone anyway.

Reply 102

Zayn is Bae

Original post by xylas

Don't see your point. That wasn't her reason, nor is it a good reason to yell at someone anyway.

Nor is it good to act like a spoilt brat on live television

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Reply 103

xylas

Original post by Zayn is Bae

Nor is it good to act like a spoilt brat on live television

Call him what you will, I'm interested in the arguments not the way they were said.

Reply 104

Joep95

Original post by xylas

Don't see your point. That wasn't her reason, nor is it a good reason to yell at someone anyway.

He had just said it dismissing what they were saying and when they called him out for it he got upset.

If this had happened the other way around and someone had said "you don't understand this because you are gay" people would be outraged

Reply 105

Zayn is Bae

Original post by xylas

Call him what you will, I'm interested in the arguments not the way they were said.

He was intolerant of her opinion when he felt she was intolerant of what had transpired, so at best he's a hypocrite, at worst he's an *******.

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Reply 106

Zayn is Bae

Original post by joecphillips

If this had happened the other way around and someone had said "you don't understand this because you are gay" people would be outraged

Agree with this. So two faced and hypocritical lol

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Reply 107

xylas

Original post by joecphillips

What's your point?

Original post by Zayn is Bae

He was intolerant of her opinion when he felt she was intolerant of what had transpired, so at best he's a hypocrite, at worst he's an *******.

So you defend her opinion that it's okay to yell at someone in a discussion?

Reply 108

Joep95

Original post by xylas

What's your point?

So you defend her opinion that it's okay to yell at someone in a discussion?

If you dismiss someone's view in such a way you should be prepared for people to react like that.

And the sjw's need to get consistent with their outrage.

Reply 109

xylas

Original post by joecphillips

If you dismiss someone's view in such a way you should be prepared for people to react like that.

And the sjw's need to get consistent with their outrage.

Again, what's your point?

Reply 110

pmc:producer

Original post by epage

Okay, most members then.

Where's the stats? Or are you basing this on your own assumptions?

Reply 111

Zayn is Bae

Original post by xylas

So you defend her opinion that it's okay to yell at someone in a discussion?

I defend her right to yell at someone in a discussion, he didn't.

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Reply 112

wildleaves

Whats wrong with her calling the attacker a lunatic ?

Reply 113

Under Achiever

Original post by wildleaves

Whats wrong with her calling the attacker a lunatic ?

Calling them a lunatic places them in the same bracket as those who are mentally ill. By stating that the person is a lunatic, you are drawing similarities between the attacker and those who are being treated for mental health issues.

It's an insult to those people who have mental disorders that are out of their control. To simply label someone with a term to fit society's view of them is wrong, and clearly demonstrates how incompetent she was.

Reply 114

username2303857

Original post by pmc:producer

Where's the stats? Or are you basing this on your own assumptions?

I'm basing it on the assumption that all of the following support Owen Jones' and my view on Orlando:

LGBT MP for the SNP

LGBT journalist for the independent

Nicola Sturgeon SNP MP and Leader

LGBT Scottish MP

Wilson Cruz actor who is gay and lost a family member in the shooting

The Independent's view

go to twitter and search 'orlando attack on LGBT' you'll find many LGBT voices and allies also supporting owen jones etc.

do you want more?? because i could find more.

Reply 115

Marco1

Original post by JohnGreek

You gottta love the other two presenters about how adamant they were that this wasn't an attack on LGBT people (rather, it was an attack against the "freedom to enjoy yourself?" Hmm. )

No, sweethearts, I think that the selection of the venue, and the attacker's previous comments to his father and his coworkers, make it clear that this was specifically an attack on a particular subset of society that disgusted him. It may also happen to be an attack on the freedom to enjoy yourself/humanity/the West, but, at its core, this was a homophobic attack.

I genuinely don't know why anyone would try to deny this any more. Accept it and move onto tackling the underlying problems.

It is unfortunately the fashion of the day for media to describe such massacres as something other than what they are. Such is the paranoia over sensibilities, they place not offending Muslims on a higher pedestal than giving a true account of what happened. This is what society has become - more interested in making sure people are on board with politically correct inoffensive speech than exploring facts and truly understanding what happened. Governments love it as it keeps the masses distracted from the serious issues.

Reply 116

xylas

Original post by Zayn is Bae

I defend her right to yell at someone in a discussion, he didn't.

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What 'right to yell at someone'? Show me where you got this idea from

Reply 117

pmc:producer

Original post by epage

I'm basing it on the assumption.

Ah excellent, assumptions always work.

Reply 118

username2303857

Original post by pmc:producer

Ah excellent, assumptions always work.

Thats all you are taking out of my post when I gave you links to others who shared the same views and opinions as me and Owen Jones and many members of the LGBT community?? i meant to change that first line anyway but you deleted all of my post in your comment because you couldnt think of a better argument than "bleugh ugh this word is wrong u r wrong hahaah"

Reply 119

amyvictoriaaa

Personally, I think this is far from embarrassing. It was an emotional time and yes, his emotions probably did take over - but look at the bigger picture. This hate crime has sparked a discussion and may have made many realise that homophobia didn't die with gay marriage begin legalised. The other two presenters acted appallingly and the reason he walked off was because they failed to accept that this was a hate crime targeted at one community. Owen wasn't trying to suggest that this makes it worse than what happened in Paris, for instance. He was merely trying to get them to discuss the issues surrounding the atrocity i.e. homophobia. He didn't embarrass himself, the others did by failing to acknowledge fully what had happened.