Even if you're pro-guns, why on earth are automatic rifles available in America?

Not for a shotgun, you don't actually need "good reason" to own a shotgun.

Shall I rephrase the question?
Is a firearm expensive for an average earner?

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The "self-defence" claim is a myth.
Studies in the US have shown that people who keep a gun in the home are several times more likely to die from gunshot than those without guns.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-kellermann.htm

the ideal would be no guns. but you can go ahead and try removing 350 million guns from people who arent gonna hand em over

My entire UK firearms knowledge comes from hot fuzz and if it has taught me anything it is that country folk carry a crapload of guns.

Im not talking about the data itself. Im talking about the representation of the data. It's designed to evoke an emotion. The guardian clearly has an agenda.

yes but now we are on slippery slope of which the bottom is the ban of all guns.
"if the dude had a knife instead of a pistol he would've killed even less people." etc etc etc

You would be right. The countryside is filled with guns.

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The FBI definition of mass shooting, which is the definition used to support statistics elsewhere in the world, is >4 people killed in a single incident. Leftist news outlets have now expanded this definition to include all people injured among other things, giving us ridiculous statistics such as 300 "mass shootings" per year. Most of these incidents are in fact nothing more than everyday gang-on-gang shooting incidences, restricted to small urban centres, which don't even make the news and liberals don't care in the slightest about. The plummeting murder rate also tells us that these incidences are decreasing year on year in the US, while concealed carry permits skyrocket.

The actual number of psychopath spree-killings of innocent people, such as this nightclub shooting or Sandy Hook style school shootings, number in the single digits per year. It's easy to mislead unintelligent readers by sensationalist statistics, but a little digging and you'll find the reality is nothing like what is portrayed in the MSM.

My entire UK firearms knowledge comes from hot fuzz and if it has taught me anything it is that country folk carry a crapload of guns.

same argument can be made against semi-auto rifles also.

having said that the stats of all gun killings show that gun owning society in usa is a failed experiment ie there have been more shooting killings of ppl in usa than american solders in war zones in last 30 years

And that they also murder people to appear perfect for annual competitions.

That's actually quite sensible. The US has a lot of problems with provision of mental health treatment.



I'm always baffled on threads like these when people come out with stuff like about guns being "banned" in Britain. Maybe it's just being a bit rural that I grew up around guns, but for pity's sake - you'd think they'd have at least the faintest realisation that there are a vast quantity of legally held firearms in the UK.

It's one thing to suggest there isn't a single handgun in the UK (untrue, but at least understandable - I know of various people with Section 5 exemptions for things, not to mention the standard exemptions) but really - to suggest no guns in private hands? Mad.

Lol. I've been clay shooting for 15 years and I've never seen a Purdey outside a shop. Anything worth over 3k is rare, most stuff you see would be roughly in the 600-2000 range.

Not for a shotgun, you don't actually need "good reason" to own a shotgun.

I'm willing to bet very few of them are assault rifles though. I can't imagine they'd have much practical value while hunting and whatnot.