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Labour MP Jo Cox killed in shooting incident in West Yorkshire

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Reply 200
Original post by TorpidPhil
Not what I'm saying as such. I mean, what do they want?

It isn't just the far right good sir. That's my point. It's the majority of the working class, at least up here. They absolutely despise Muslims. And it isn't just the working class that hate this ridiculous PC culture that our politics and academia has developed.

While most of such people will not resort to violence far more than just far-right groups will do so if things only continue to worsen. Therefore we need ideological change in how we deal with ethnic/cultural differences within society.


If, as you suggest, a distrust/dislike of Muslims is ingrained in the majority of our society, then surely it's just as valid to target that attitude as it is to target the issues bred by radical Islam. If they both lead to violence, then neither can be condoned or defended, we should be intervening in both.

Either way, the idea that this stems from PC culture is absurd. It is an issue that irritates some of the population at best, but it is not a major contributor to a level of social polarity that can lead to murder.
Original post by Student403
Wonder if people will call this "terrorism"....


I would say so. It seems to be politically motivated.

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Original post by otester
I wouldn't be surprised if this was organized and she drew the short straw to save the Remainian campaign.

Apparently the referendum might be delayed...how convenient just as Leave is starting to win...


while the govt, just like any other, is known for dodgy business here and there, murdering an MP is a ludicrous thing to suggest and also what exactly would the murderer get out of this if he was hired? Life in jail to murder an MP doesn't sound like a good paycheck.
Reply 203
Original post by A Mysterious Lord
Terrible news, RIP :frown:

Anyone who attempts to use this to politically point-score is scum. No exceptions.
We're still good to go on the Orlando threads though, right?
Original post by TelAviv
Should keep in mind the picture being circulated is evidently many years old, he looks about 35 in it.

I've based my description of him off the blurred images of his arrest. I know it's still unlikely he's actually in the video, but the one clear picture of him available at the moment doesn't seem reliable enough to assert he's not there.

Also, does it go against the rules to post the said video to TSR, either on a thread or via PM?


Not that Mirror pic - looks about 60!

I've seen the vid - and have quicktimed it to my Mac in case they take it down :smile:


Of course he was....
Nothing to do with the fact he was a far right activist supporting Britain first, he was just 'mentally lll' like all far right terrorists.
Original post by nutcase13
while the govt, just like any other, is known for dodgy business here and there, murdering an MP is a ludicrous thing to suggest and also what exactly would the murderer get out of this if he was hired? Life in jail to murder an MP doesn't sound like a good paycheck.


Wouldn't be the first time a government has used a mentally unstable individual to get dirty work done.

Personally I don't mind Brexit being delayed because I want the upcoming financial crisis to fall squarely on the Remanians side of the referendum, propelling us outwards.
Original post by Bornblue
Of course he was....
Nothing to do with the fact he was a far right activist supporting Britain first, he was just 'mentally lll' like all far right terrorists.


source on him supporting britain first?
Original post by Betelgeuse-
Do you concede it appears likely an attack due to his mental health and not his political ideology?


I mean, no one has any idea as to his motive just yet given the police haven't released any information regarding their investigation as to his motive. So I'm not sure how you can say one motive is more likely than the other. Because..you literally have no idea like the rest of us. Unless you're just speculating of course.
Original post by TimmonaPortella
**** off.



What difference does it make?

Why are people so concerned with buzzwords?


Consistency. Terrorism almost requires a greater response than a perceived one off attack by a 'mentally ill' person.
Original post by joecphillips
No the way you put it across came across as an attack on the right being the only violent side, I was pointing out that the left are just as violent.


Actually, that's probably not true. Has there been a left-wing Breivik in the last 30 or 40 years? Are there any left-wing groups that carry out the equivalent of firebombing attacks on synagogues and mosques as neo-Nazis do? Are there any left-wingers that conduct shootings equivalent to how hard right religious lunatics target abortion doctors and clinics?

There used to be left-wing terrorism in Europe (Baader-Meinhof Gang, Red Brigades, Carlos the Jackal etc). It really doesn't exist anymore. Right-wing terrorism does still exist. To the extent that some left-wing idiots have been violent at anti-Trump demonstrations, so have Trump supporters been violent to such demonstrators. All of them should be locked up.

But if you think the lunatic world of the Trump camp and the exaggerated things that go on around it constitute the entire political universe then you're really not very bright
Original post by otester
Wouldn't be the first time a government has used a mentally unstable individual to get dirty work done.

Personally I don't mind Brexit being delayed because I want the upcoming financial crisis to fall squarely on the Remanians side of the referendum, propelling us outwards.


Disgusting how when someone is murdered you:
a) suggest it was some sort of plot (this isn't the US, the british govt are too pussies to do anything like that)
b) Use her death as some sort of great event that will help secure a remain vote
Original post by Thutmose-III
Actually, that's probably not true. Has there been a left-wing Breivik in the last 30 or 40 years? Are there any left-wing groups that carry out the equivalent of firebombing attacks on synagogues and mosques as neo-Nazis do? Are there any left-wingers that conduct shootings equivalent to how hard right religious lunatics target abortion doctors and clinics?

There used to be left-wing terrorism in Europe (Baader-Meinhof Gang, Red Brigades, Carlos the Jackal etc). It really doesn't exist anymore. Right-wing terrorism does still exist. To the extent that some left-wing idiots have been violent at anti-Trump demonstrations, so have Trump supporters been violent to such demonstrators. All of them should be locked up.

But if you think the lunatic world of the Trump camp and the exaggerated things that go on around it constitute the entire political universe then you're really not very bright


Wasn't Breivik a national socialist?
Original post by nutcase13
Disgusting how when someone is murdered you:
a) suggest it was some sort of plot (this isn't the US, the british govt are too pussies to do anything like that)
b) Use her death as some sort of great event that will help secure a remain vote


a) I suggest you learn a little more history, the UK government has got away with a lot of bad stuff in the past, even using concentration camps/death squads on its own soil (Northern Ireland) against innocent citizens.
b) Well that's what the establishment does when necessary...cannibalizes its own in order to win.
Sad event. I disagree with her political views but no human deserves to be killed for having an opinion.
Reply 215
Original post by otester
Wasn't Breivik a national socialist?


National Socialism is the technical term for Nazism (German: Nationalsozialismus). Try telling someone that Hitler was left wing.
Original post by Bornblue
Of course he was....
Nothing to do with the fact he was a far right activist supporting Britain first, he was just 'mentally lll' like all far right terrorists.


How do you know he was a Britain first supporter ffs? We dont know if thats true yet.


I dont think you understand how reality and facts work. You keep suggesting he wasnt mentally ill despite an article that is 6 years old with quotes directly attributed to the murderer himself talking about his mental health issues.

Its not up for debate unless you think the journalist who wrote this 6 year old article is lying and fabricated the interview (We are entering Bush did 9/11 realms of conspiratarding here)
Original post by otester
a) I suggest you learn a little more history, the UK government has got away with a lot of bad stuff in the past, even using concentration camps/death squads on its own soil (Northern Ireland) against innocent citizens.
b) Well that's what the establishment does when necessary...cannibalizes its own in order to win.


a) Firstly, key word = past, this isn't "the past" anymore.
b) Yep that's true, but that doesn't make it right does it?
Original post by Bornblue
Consistency. Terrorism almost requires a greater response than a perceived one off attack by a 'mentally ill' person.


It was a one off attack, though -- unless you can point to another instance of this happening? What it quite clearly is not is part of any co-ordinated campaign on the part of anyone.

If by 'terrorism' you just mean 'politically motivated', it may very well have been, but I don't know what 'greater response' you'd like to see, given that this cannot (so far) be linked to anyone beyond the attacker.

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