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Labour MP Jo Cox killed in shooting incident in West Yorkshire

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Original post by otester
It depends, if both left/right wing are extreme variants of socialism and center is capitalism, then ok, but otherwise...


The nationalism part is the overriding principle, that's the logic that started WW2. It's fairly unequivocally associated with the right wing. That's not a condemnation of the right wing in general, since the political spectrum system encompasses a wide range of ideals, and groups them as "wing" generally based on correlation. Saying that right wing ideology is overtly bad is facile, but it does seem to have contributed to more violence in recent history that the ideals we'd normally think of as "left wing".
Original post by NickLCFC
Yes I am aware.

Aamir Tahir, of The Dry Clean Centre, said: "The lady I work with heard two loud bangs but I wasn't there, I was stuck in traffic at the time. I wish I was there because I would have tried to stop him. The whole street thinks it was me but it wasn't. Apparently the guy who did it shouted 'Britain first' and if I had been there I would have tackled him."

It just didn't seem like a reliable source to me.



I don't see how race has anything to do with this. Regardless of whether it was a Muslim or not, I wouldn't make assumptions based of a single sketchy eyewitness report.


agree, another witness was asked if he heard him shout Britain First and he said not at all
Original post by physicsphysics91


How did you get that from the website?
Original post by NickLCFC
Yes I am aware.

Aamir Tahir, of The Dry Clean Centre, said: "The lady I work with heard two loud bangs but I wasn't there, I was stuck in traffic at the time. I wish I was there because I would have tried to stop him. The whole street thinks it was me but it wasn't. Apparently the guy who did it shouted 'Britain first' and if I had been there I would have tackled him."

It just didn't seem like a reliable source to me.



I don't see how race has anything to do with this. Regardless of whether it was a Muslim or not, I wouldn't make assumptions based of a single sketchy eyewitness report.


Yeh, well, obviously, it isn't reliable. The eye witness is probably brown and Muslim and the attacker is white.

If it was the other way round, you would have no problem.
MP's will have armed guard's in future? Perhaps.

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Heartbreaking to consider that she was a mother of two as well. Hard to believe that this could happen to an MP here.
Original post by Betelgeuse-
Nobody is saying it was down to his mental illness.. i am saying it is likely given the little information we have. I am not trying to depoliticise anything, i am simply countering rabid mouthbreathers who are fabricating lefty fantasy narratives like yourself and @Fullofsurprises based on sweet FA evidence other than your agenda

Ffs, he shouted Britain first.
Of course though, nothing to do with being a far right extremist, all because he must be 'mentall ill'

Perhaps clear off this thread and allow genuine mourning for Jo Cox rather than seeking to defend far right terrorists.
Original post by Thutmose-III
Actually, that's probably not true. Has there been a left-wing Breivik in the last 30 or 40 years? Are there any left-wing groups that carry out the equivalent of firebombing attacks on synagogues and mosques as neo-Nazis do? Are there any left-wingers that conduct shootings equivalent to how hard right religious lunatics target abortion doctors and clinics?

There used to be left-wing terrorism in Europe (Baader-Meinhof Gang, Red Brigades, Carlos the Jackal etc). It really doesn't exist anymore. Right-wing terrorism does still exist. To the extent that some left-wing idiots have been violent at anti-Trump demonstrations, so have Trump supporters been violent to such demonstrators. All of them should be locked up.

But if you think the lunatic world of the Trump camp and the exaggerated things that go on around it constitute the entire political universe then you're really not very bright


Left wing terrorism still exists and is still violent.
One example is BLM what people refuse to classify as a terrorist group despite it ticking the definition of domestic terrorism definition and ties to cop killings.


There is the sect of Revolutionaries in Greece who also went around killing cops
Original post by DorianGrayism
Yeh, well, obviously, it isn't reliable. The eye witness is probably brown and Muslim and the attacker is white.


Yep, okay, great discussion!
Original post by Bornblue
Ffs, he shouted Britain first.
Of course though, nothing to do with being a far right extremist, all because he must be 'mentall ill'

Perhaps clear off this thread and allow genuine mourning for Jo Cox rather than seeking to defend far right terrorists.


A witness said he shouted britain first
Another witness said he didn't
And you jump to the conclusion that he did? Why not wait until the information is out, why spread rumours that you can't back up? Btw im in no way a supporter of far right groups, quite the opposite actually, i just find it funny how you assume because twitter said so it must be 100% true
Original post by Bornblue
Ffs, he shouted Britain first.
Of course though, nothing to do with being a far right extremist, all because he must be 'mentall ill'

Perhaps clear off this thread and allow genuine mourning for Jo Cox rather than seeking to defend far right terrorists.


Sky news interviewed a guy who said he did not hear that shouted..

One witness said the man attacked a 76 year old man of which Jo tried to intervene and was murdered...

Do you see the problem here? We have conflicting stories of what happened and what was said

Of course this is me professing my love for murderous terrorists :colonhash:
Original post by DorianGrayism
Yeh, well, obviously, it isn't reliable. The eye witness is probably brown and Muslim and the attacker is white.

If it was the other way round, you would have no problem.


Maybe the fact that they weren't there is what makes it unreliable.
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Political violence isn't new. We've had one Prime Minister assassinated and plenty of MPs attacked and murdered.

I believe the last major incident was the stabbing of Stephen Timms in 2010 which he was lucky to escape from with his life

I wonder if a debate will now arise about MP safety
Original post by NickLCFC
Yep, okay, great discussion!


Yeh. I mean....it is not as if there is other evidence..

......
In a blog post at the far right Springbok Cyber Newsletter’s website, Mair is described as “one of the earliest subscribers and supporters of “S.A. Patriot.” On the magazine’s website, it’s described as being pro-free market capitalism and patriotism and anti-political correctness and “expansionist Islam.”.....


Sounds like he would fit in most of the Nationalists on here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central


She's died ;/
What a tragedy for her kids and husband.

There have been people linking it to Syria.

There have been people linking it to Britain First

Its going to be pretty sick if these turn out to be untrue and its just someone trying to take advantage of the situation. People should wait until there is an investigation and the police or repitable news organisations get to verify the facts of the story.
Let's assume he's a Britain First supporter. Given, as far as anyone can tell, he acted alone, what difference does it make?

I entirely do not understand why seemingly everyone is so exercised by this argument. Whether driven by mental illness, or political belief, or, as I think is most likely, a mixture the two, we shouldn't attach too much wider significance to the deranged actions of a lone gunman.
Original post by nutcase13
A witness said he shouted britain first
Another witness said he didn't
And you jump to the conclusion that he did? Why not wait until the information is out, why spread rumours that you can't back up? Btw im in no way a supporter of far right groups, quite the opposite actually, i just find it funny how you assume because twitter said so it must be 100% true


Thank you
Original post by democracyforum
They don't represent Islam

A minority of Muslims do this type of thing

Mental illness is to blame

We need more gun control

Islam ? What's that ? never heard of it.

Its neither of those things ,keep the muslim bashing for another time.
Original post by J_C_
The nationalism part is the overriding principle, that's the logic that started WW2. It's fairly unequivocally associated with the right wing. That's not a condemnation of the right wing in general, since the political spectrum system encompasses a wide range of ideals, and groups them as "wing" generally based on correlation. Saying that right wing ideology is overtly bad is facile, but it does seem to have contributed to more violence in recent history that the ideals we'd normally think of as "left wing".


So what about Corbyn? He's a nationalist and a socialist...

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