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Labour MP Jo Cox killed in shooting incident in West Yorkshire

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Original post by TimmonaPortella

Now, if you have any evidence to present that Britain First has encouraged violence I'd be happy to see it.


Britain First's leader Paul Golding is a violent convicted criminal and a former member of the National Front (which has a long history of violence and criminality).

Britain First went to the meeting of a left-wing group to quote "give these traitors their comeuppance", which predictably led to violence. They've repeatedly referred to themselves as the "British resistance".

Their intentions are very clear. Frankly it's pretty shocking to see people on TSR defending them
Original post by Thutmose-III
So what if they see through it? Seeing through it is irrelevant. If someone has an EU passport they have to accept them into the country under EU law. It's really that simple.


No. A border can be shut to EU citizens if it is on the grounds of security.

Quite clearly, deliberately flooding other EU countries with refugees is a ground and won't be tolerated.
Police say possible far-right extremist links of man suspected of killing Jo Cox are a "priority line of inquiry".


http://news.sky.com/story/1713596/jo-cox-suspects-right-wing-links-probed
Original post by Thutmose-III
But can you plausibly argue that if only a few days ago you were arguing the opposite side with regards to the Orlando shooting, denying the link to ideology and playing up the mental illness angle just as the right-wing is doing now to the Cox shooter?


I never denied that the Orlando shooter was a Muslim (to do otherwise would be to commit the no true Scotsman fallacy), and I explicitly stated that we need to work with the millions of peaceful Muslims to discount and discredit the views of extremists, and also with the minority of liberal and reformist Muslims (such as the numerous Muslim LGBT groups) to address the real issues within many Muslim communities with respect to homosexuality, women and atheists.

In this case, I would similarly state that we need to work with the millions of peaceful right-wingers to explain that violence is never justified, but I would also state that we need to work with any right-winger who understands that there are real issues with the rhetoric being spouted in their campaigns and communities, and that these issues need to be addressed.
Original post by viddy9
Right, so eyewitness confirmation of his comments as he made the attack, the fact that he's campaigned with Britain First, don't count as any evidence? Of course they do. We should continue to update our credence in the notion that this was a terrorist attack as more information comes along, but right now >50% credence in it being a terrorist attack is entirely justified.


Mair was never acosiated with Britain First, and as I have stated multiple times, he did not say 'Britain First' according to Hicham Ben Abdallah, a named witness.

What source do you have that claims he campaigned with them?
Original post by The_Opinion
How many recent refugees are there in Poland? Oh that's right....they don't go there.


Exactly, because the Poles don't want them......which means that they are not going to be flooding the EU with Syrians with Polish passports.
Original post by Anno007
Firstly, tu quoque is a fallacy and won't get you anywhere. Secondly, even if it were a false assertion, your claims would still be wrong. Thirdly, his history of mental illness is a fact that we know, and I never said that it was the cause of this attack.


Yeh, you did. You said that he couldn't act rationally as a result of his mental illness (OCD).

Liar.
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Original post by Anno007
Mair was never acosiated with Britain First, and as I have stated multiple times, he did not say 'Britain First' according to Hicham Ben Abdallah, a named witness.

What source do you have that claims he campaigned with them?


Try Clarke Rothwell.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36552367

An eyewitness to a shooting in Birstall, which left Labour MP Jo Cox dead, says he saw a man holding a gun and shouting "Britain first or put Britain first".

Clarke Rothwell told the BBC's Ed Thomas that he heard women screaming and a bang.
Original post by DorianGrayism
Yeh, you did. You said that he couldn't act rationally as a result.

Liar.


No I did not. Your comprehension skills are appalling. I said "only an idiot would expect him to behave rationally in such a situation".

Quote me next time before you obliterate your own argument.
Original post by DorianGrayism
Exactly, because the Poles don't want them......which means that they are not going to be flooding the EU with Syrians with Polish passports.


Because they have not had to accept them yet! Wow, its like I'm dealing with someone who is high or drunk.

I shall make it more simple for you.

Now they are in Germany.
EU Forces them to go to Poland.
Poland says no.
EU imposes huge fines if they don't agree.
Poland agrees and takes the migrants.
Poland then gives them Polish passports.
Migrants now have the right to go anywhere in the EU.
Original post by Thutmose-III
We can make reasonable inferences. Two new witnesses have confirmed he was screaming "put Britain first". Tally that with what we know about his neo-Nazi connections and it's not hard to make a logical inference about his motivations.

Just as it wasn't hard to deduce the motivations of the Orlando terrorist once we found out he'd pledged allegiance to ISIS and had previously been investigated for his relationship with Islamic extremists


Logical inferences do not constitute fact.
Original post by Anno007
No I did not. Your comprehension skills are appalling. I said "only an idiot would expect him to behave rationally in such a situation".

Quote me next time before you obliterate your own argument.


Conventionally forgot the bit before.

" Mairs is mentally ill - only an idiot would expect him to behave rationally in such a situation. "

Except that he had OCD which doesn't affect rationality.
Original post by The_Opinion
Hitler the socialist, he was a leftist, sorry to burst your bubble!

Silly leftists, don't even know what Nazi stands for :biggrin:, the reason I use this site is just for the laughs that leftists provide me.


Racism and bigotry mean different things, learn to accept that words have meanings.


Nazi is short for Nationalsozialismus. Nationalism is by principle far-right.
Original post by viddy9
Maybe this photo?

ThomasMair.jpg

His neighbours have confirmed that that's him.


Link to source?
Original post by DorianGrayism
Conventionally forgot the bit before.

" Mairs is mentally ill - only an idiot would expect him to behave rationally in such a situation. "

Except that he had OCD which doesn't affect rationality.


OCD does effect rationality, especially in extreme cases - though we don't know the severity of his case. This does not contradict my argument at all.
Original post by The_Opinion
Because they have not had to accept them yet! Wow, its like I'm dealing with someone who is ,,,,,,, in the EU.


So, if it was that easy then they can just accept people and then move them on.

Lol. It would be stupid because it would just encourage millions to come to their country.
Original post by Anno007
OCD does effect rationality, especially in extreme cases - though we don't know the severity of his case. This does not contradict my argument at all.


Err no. OCD doesn't cause you to get a gun and shoot someone.
Original post by tanyapotter
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialismus. Nationalism is by principle far-right.


And what does sozialismus mean? Oh yes.... Socalism!
Those members of Britain First all seem so unintelligent, insecure, impulsive and bigoted. Just like the majority of TSR nationalists - or at least that's how they come across on the internet. Oh well; it's a good thing they're all deeply disliked and unpopular with the general public.
Original post by DorianGrayism
Err no. OCD doesn't cause you to get a gun and shoot someone.


I'm not saying that it does - only that it effects rationality. You aren't comprehending my comments.

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