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The President has the constitutional power to ban Muslims from coming to the US

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There is nothing new here, a country including Britain can stop foreigners entering their country for any reason. It does not affect Muslims who are also Americans since they have a right to enter their own country.

I suspect this would be used by holiday companies and universities outside America to recruit more non white customers on the basis they might be excluded from America in the future. This is especially true for students who might get halfway through their course at an American university and get excluded.
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Ummmm... this doesn't give the President the authority to create a blank ban on Muslims entering the US.
Original post by Gwilym101
Ummmm... this doesn't give the President the authority to create a blank ban on Muslims entering the US.


I know, right. It literally says that can't happen.
Original post by Gwilym101
Ummmm... this doesn't give the President the authority to create a blank ban on Muslims entering the US.


Original post by minimarshmallow
I know, right. It literally says that can't happen.


Here is number 8 US Code 1182, inadmissible aliens. This law was written in 1952. It was passed by a Democrat-controlled Congress, House and Senate, and signed by a Democrat president.

Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by president. Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182
Original post by Gnomes&Knights
Here is number 8 US Code 1182, inadmissible aliens. This law was written in 1952. It was passed by a Democrat-controlled Congress, House and Senate, and signed by a Democrat president.



https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182


The use of that power to ban aliens by reference to their religion would almost certainly infringe the free exercise clause of the 1st Amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause
Original post by nulli tertius
The use of that power to ban aliens by reference to their religion would almost certainly infringe the free exercise clause of the 1st Amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause


foreign nationals don't enjoy the protection of our constitution
Original post by oldercon1953
foreign nationals don't enjoy the protection of our constitution


Rubbish

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/118/356/case.html

and goodness knows how many cases following this.

Basically where the Constitution says "persons" then aliens are included. Where is says "citizens" they are not.

This all derives from the common law idea that an alien owes local allegiance to the sovereign where he is resident. The Frenchman in England may commit treason against the King of England by doing an act prejudicial to England even if at the bidding of the King of France. Where the duty of allegiance owed, then the sovereign owes protection to those who owe allegiance.

Of course, in the United States "We the People" are sovereign.

That answers the point you have made, which is nonsense but it doesn't of itself justify my earlier point.

To have any rights under the first amendment the alien probably has to have a pre-existing connection to the United States (although some of the recent caselaw following 9/11 suggests not).
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lmao, he will never ban muslims from entering the US.

1) Republicans in senate and congress would never vote for it
2) If he uses constitutional powers such as executive order or the one stated above, Paul Ryan, leader of the house, said he would sue him for abuse of powers, this was one or two days ago
3) The supreme court will declare it unconstitutional so it could never get put into action - very much like all Trump's other ridiculous ideas.
4) Trump doesn't believe in banning muslims from the US anyway, he's saying it to get voters
Well freedom of religion is part of the first amendment, so him being able to ban muslims would be really contradictory considering his stance on gun laws.

But then again, these were written hundreds of years ago and times are clearly changing if Trump is likely to become president.
They want Muslim immigration because more terrorist attacks will allow this war on terror to be justified

People who were once moderates will turn after so many terrorist attacks..

This is why you get people like Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam defend this plan because he is smart enough to know there are people pushing Muslim immigration in America who are not nice people but have sinister motives.
Original post by MuhHoIocaust
They want Muslim immigration because more terrorist attacks will allow this war on terror to be justified

People who were once moderates will turn after so many terrorist attacks..

This is why you get people like Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam defend this plan because he is smart enough to know there are people pushing Muslim immigration in America who are not nice people but have sinister motives.


Totally lost my friend:confused:
Original post by nulli tertius
Rubbish

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/118/356/case.html

and goodness knows how many cases following this.

Basically where the Constitution says "persons" then aliens are included. Where is says "citizens" they are not.

This all derives from the common law idea that an alien owes local allegiance to the sovereign where he is resident. The Frenchman in England may commit treason against the King of England by doing an act prejudicial to England even if at the bidding of the King of France. Where the duty of allegiance owed, then the sovereign owes protection to those who owe allegiance.

Of course, in the United States "We the People" are sovereign.
hat you said is totally correct
That answers the point you have made, which is nonsense but it doesn't of itself justify my earlier point.

To have any rights under the first amendment the alien probably has to have a pre-existing connection to the United States (although some of the recent caselaw following 9/11 suggests not).


Sorry for not making my point clearer.. I didn't think I had to state the obvious. While someone is completing the application process they aren't entitled to any of the protection citizen or legal resident are given.
Original post by Proximo
lmao, he will never ban muslims from entering the US.

1) Republicans in senate and congress would never vote for it
2) If he uses constitutional powers such as executive order or the one stated above, Paul Ryan, leader of the house, said he would sue him for abuse of powers, this was one or two days ago
3) The supreme court will declare it unconstitutional so it could never get put into action - very much like all Trump's other ridiculous ideas.
4) Trump doesn't believe in banning muslims from the US anyway, he's saying it to get voters


Like many countries our laws have provisions for halting entry of any group or individual we deem a threat to our peace and security. With ISIS publicly saying they have already gained entry into Europe by infiltrating the hordes of legitimate immigrants and plan on doing the same to the U.S., I am certain the ban will be implemented with only those who can be completely vetted being allowed entry. The magnitude and brutality of the Orlando attack has made clear to Americans that we are in a real war with ISIS and radical muslims wherever they are. Credible Americans, John Bolton for example, are beginning to see what Donald Trump said months ago; The ban is a necessary safeguard. The people will be behind it so while Paul Ryan might huff and puff a little he will see the best thing for him will be to sit down and shut up.
Original post by MuhHoIocaust
They want Muslim immigration because more terrorist attacks will allow this war on terror to be justified

People who were once moderates will turn after so many terrorist attacks..

This is why you get people like Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam defend this plan because he is smart enough to know there are people pushing Muslim immigration in America who are not nice people but have sinister motives.


1. The war on terror needs no further justification

2. Most moderates and appeasers "turned" quite a while ago.

3. Whatever his position Farrakhan is a fool.
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The game changer would be a declaration of war against ISIS. They hold territory and have a standing army. The sooner the better.
Original post by JohnGreek
Brown skin
Turban
Some form of head or body covering for women

... okay I give up - Trump's a r*tard and the only way this could be enforced is by forcing people to turn over documents where they mention their religious affiliation. Even then, it's piss easy for all the other Muslims to change their faith status to 'Atheist' or DK/DC.


Precisely.
Original post by Aceadria
How does one identify a Muslim?

Show a cartoon of prophet Mohammed and wait reaction. :cool:
(Do not) Enter Yusuf Islam who was denied entry into the USA and rightly so after he called for the killing of Salman Rushdie. So if you believe that Salman Rushdie should be killed then you SHOULD be denied entry into any democratic country. This should also include apostates, adulterers, cartoonists etc. (The killing of, lest the idiots misrepresent).
Original post by admonit
Show a cartoon of prophet Mohammed and wait reaction. :cool:


:rofl:
Original post by Quantex
I'm not sure what merely being a Muslim means you'v committed serious human rights and humanitarian law violations.

Also, we need to keep this in perspective. While of course Muslims represent a real threat to Americans, it is nothing compare to the threat posed toddlers. Muslim terrorists have shot zero Americans in 2016. In the sam time period, 23 Americans have been shot by toddlers including 7 fatally. Don't let the mainstream media blind you to the real threat.


Since the motive for the killing seems to make no difference for you then surely you would support a ban on the sale of alcohol in the U.K..

I am glad you admit to muslim terrorists being a real threat to the U.S.. You and Trump are of one mind on this.
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