Does this explain the manosphere?

And since the mainstream (assuming those idiots aren't the mainstream) have made zero effort denouncing the idiots, they go in the same bag. Feminism is not about equality, you're talking about egalitarianism.

Roosh is a fairly recent addition, I started off with David DeAngelo over ten years ago and it brought some good results and while I didn't struggle so much after that, I always like to improve my game. The same way a musician doesn't quit after he's finished learning his first song. Roosh has some good insights on gaming Eastern European chicks and the cultural quirks that come with them in his Bang series. I've personally traveled to a few of the locations he wrote about and noticed very similar nuances so I do grant a certain degree of trust in his word on that topic.

I disagree. I believe most mainstream feminists are actively repulsed by the extremist female superiority supporters, they simply choose to focus on their goal of equality rather than spending all their time trying to denounce idiots at the extremes. Like just about every other movement.

Ah, so you were successful because of pickup artists, that explains a lot. Although I personally find comparing playing a musical instrument to picking up women rather crude, whatever floats your boat. Incidentally I can't get too excited over pick up artists, they're simply men making money off the desperation of others, which is nothing new although I do draw the line when they start encouraging rape.

If you've been in a relationship for four years why do you need to pick up women though?

Tbf no-one who is actually in a LT relationship spends their time on that forum rather than with their significant other

Tbf no-one who is actually in a LT relationship spends their time on that forum rather than with their significant other

You seem to think this is a debate. I don't particularly care what you think, neither am I trying to change it. I'm simply telling you what I know to be true.

I have no doubt they make up a certain proportion of followers. What's your point?

Why did you bother asking if you had already made up your mind? For all you know she could be a wildebeast but without knowing or inquiring

you framed having a gf/partner as a high benchmark of achievement

So you putting that on a pedestal tells me it is very likely you are quite lonely in this respect. But that's just my conjecture.

17.= years old.

People who can't get laid in their home countries seldom get laid abroad.

If you've been following my posts so carefully you should know I'm very critical of British girls.

You don't go abroad to get women, you go abroad to get BETTER women.

I disagree. I believe most mainstream feminists are actively repulsed by the extremist female superiority supporters, they simply choose to focus on their goal of equality rather than spending all their time trying to denounce idiots at the extremes. Like just about every other movement.

Ah, so you were successful because of pickup artists, that explains a lot. Although I personally find comparing playing a musical instrument to picking up women rather crude, whatever floats your boat. Incidentally I can't get too excited over pick up artists, they're simply men making money off the desperation of others, which is nothing new although I do draw the line when they start encouraging rape.

If you've been in a relationship for four years why do you need to pick up women though?

Sure they do. What else would I do at work? Also it is entirely possible to be on a forum while with your partner (although I don't tend to as I have better things to do with my evenings). Just because you wouldn't choose to do it doesn't mean that others don't.

What you "know" to be true on the question of the feminist lesbian conspiracy is bonkers.



My point is that normal people who have a normal life (married, kids, girlfriend, professional success, etc) are not attracted to an ideology that spends so much of its energy being bitter and railing against the world and half of the human race.



I wanted to see what you would say, how blatant it would be.



Not a high benchmark of achievement, it's the normal state for the vast majority of people. Which is why it's so pathetic that PUA are unable to find a woman who will be with them



Your lashing out in this way is in exercise in futility. The smiley is so contrived that one could almost picture the lip quivering.



So you're a 27 year old man who spends a lot of time on the internet talking to teenage boys about their sex lives, and spreading the message that women are selfish, stupid and need to be insulted. But you're happily paired up with a woman you love. That sounds completely implausible.



People who can't get laid at home go overseas because they can either find a cheap prostitute or women whose economic circumstances makes a Western man a prospect to improve their lives. It's not a coincidence that PUAs go to countries like Russia and the Philippines to find women, and that when they go to those countries the women who are from wealthy, well-connected families wouldn't look at twice at them. It's only the poor women they have a shot with.



I haven't followed your posts because I don't go on that forum, I just clicked onto your profile to see where the bulk of your posts were and saw that over 2000 of them were on the relationships forum.

As for "critical of British girls", there are lots of fantastic British women. It is the men whose personalities make them revolting to women who are embittered against them and become hysterical shrieking that English women are sluts, fat, etc. Guys who don't have any problems interacting with women don't need to go to Thailand to get laid.



If you can't get any women at home then you go abroad to meet women whose standards are lower. This is not a new phenomenon, they were doing it in the 19th century

Anyway I'm off because this is clearly a very unhealthy subject and this confirms why I've steered clear of it for so long. It's absolutely toxic

You're right to a degree. But I don't find it consistent that someone would have a LT female partner who they love, but also spend a lot of time on the relationships forum speaking to teenage boys about their sex lives and spreading propaganda that British women are fat and promiscuous.

The PUA seminars are invariably filled with men who find it very difficult to interact with women. Men who are happily paired up with a woman they love are not attracted to it.

As I said above I'm going to head off this thread permanently because the whole subject is just so toxic. It's because of crap like this I thank god I'm gay (and I mean that as no offence to women at all; all the times I've been with women I liked it but with guys it's just so much simpler and one doesn't have to get involved in this crazy battle of the sexes stuff).

If that were true then they wouldn't encourage any actions which lead towards getting laid because you'd already be entitled. But I would say ability to get laid says a lot about a man's personality.

You seem to think this is a debate. I don't particularly care what you think, neither am I trying to change it. I'm simply telling you what I know to be true.

You have failed to understand literally everything I said:
- I said they feel entitled, not that they are entitled. Nor is there a contradiction between believing you are entitled to something, and knowing that civil society in general does not believe you so entitled and will not simply provide you with it.
- I said how often they get laid, not ability to do so.
- I said self-worth, not the far more general and broad 'personality'.

Furthermore, with regard to your second sentence, the point in question was whether the views of PUAs and Rodger-type "anti-PUAs" are meaningfully different, not whether you believe either of their views to be correct.

Yes, he probably does think that. And he would be correct to think so. Apart from the obvious fact that this forum is called "Debate and Current Affairs", he started the thread as a debate, and you have entered into the debate by arguing with people on a topic and responding to points. You declaring that it isn't a debate has no bearing on this.