2nd EU Referendum

Wasn't there a 69% turnout. Pretty much representative.

Nothing will happen.

Post but their argument is that it conflicts with EU referendum rules, which requires a 75% turnout or something and so legally it's invalid?

I agree with the fact that there is not enough information to inform people with the real facts everything you seem to read in the media seems to be biased in one way or the other I think that we should be able to have a impartial pro's and con's for leaving and staying and then able to let everyone vote again including 16-17 becuase it will have a huge affect on them.

Plus you don't know my views so it isn't fair to assum i would want under 18's to vote to just benifit my views.

I don't, but I'd bet you would be a remain voter. Like 90% of the 16-17 age group. So it would benefit your views.

Good thing it's never going to happen.

I don't think it really matters what my views are i just think that 16-17 year olds should have the choice to vote on issues that affect their futures.

You wouldn't be debating this if you were happy with the Leave result.

16-17 year old do not know enough. They should not be allowed to vote in any election or referendum.

You wouldn't be debating this if you were happy with the Leave result.

16-17 year old do not know enough. They should not be allowed to vote in any election or referendum.

2nd EU referendum is being petitioned for and its already accumulated the 100,000 petitions needed to be discussed in parliament. What do you think will be the outcome of this? Their reason is due to the low turnout of voters making it non representative.


The key argument is that apparently the EU rules require a 75% turnout for referendums.

I agree there shouldn't be another referendum, but your point about 16-17 year olds never being able to vote is invalid. You accuse the other poster of only wanting them to vote because it benefits his/her views, but you only DON'T want them to because it doesn't benefit your view if they do. Not to mention the fact that such a large proportion of the leave voters were pensioners brought up in a far more xenophobic society and hence were pretty much guaranteed out voters who were never going to look for evidence to support their inate views

I don't want them to have the vote because it is not just nor proper.

Xenophobia doesn't have anything to do with it. Or is it xenophobic to be a Leave supporter now?

2nd EU referendum is being petitioned for and its already accumulated the 100,000 petitions needed to be discussed in parliament. What do you think will be the outcome of this? Their reason is due to the low turnout of voters making it non representative.


The key argument is that apparently the EU rules require a 75% turnout for referendums.

You're yet to give an actual reason why they shouldn't have the vote - WHY is it not "just nor proper" for members of the most affected demographic to get a vote? Seems quite the opposite to me. And I didn't realise that at the age of 18 you magically become enlightened and immune to all propaganda, as you seem to be saying.

As for xenophobia, no I did not say that it's xenophobic to be a leave supporter - there are many valid reasons to vote leave - but I must congratulate you on your excellent spin on my words - you should be a Brexit campaigner yourself! I simply said that a not insignificant proportion of the Leave vote was composed of xenophobes, and I'd say that their votes are no more valid, and arguably less so, than 16-17 year olds.

Last but not least, fantastic dodging of the actual point I made. I look forward to another logically incoherent response!

David has dismissed it, and it would be a kick in the teeth for democracy, the turnout was good and people need to stop crying this is democracy, sometimes it does not always go in your favor

As I've said, most know next to nothing about the issue or it's ramifications and are more easily swayed by peer pressure, propaganda and scaremongering. That's why they shouldn't be able to. At 18 most have a general understanding of geopolitics, economics etc. Although most students are retarded and fall for the same tactics, so no, over 18 year olds are not immune.

Being against mass immigration (which I assume is how you class a xenophobe) does not make one a xenophobe. It is a completely reasonable judgement that millions of people hold. A tiny minority of vote Leave would have been BNP/EDL types, and they can vote however they like. Not your concern.

Isn't it nap time yet? Or are you going to cry more over the result?

I think that there should definately be a 2nd EU referendum with 16+ aloud to vote as well as it affects under 16-17 year old more than the older generations so seems unfair that they were excluded .