UK is Destroyed

Or highly likely, is highly likely.

Like I just said, Sturgeon is going to meet with Brussels first. The only serious obstacle is Spain. If they can have an arrangement that guarantees Scotland to remain within the EU whilst the rest of the UK leaves, then you can wave goodbye to the Union.

Ok. And? I think you fail to understand that the independence poll ran close fairly close last time.

Who knows? People do stupid things all time, like vote for Brexit.

Don't care about the Euro.

Blah blah blah. People like you have been talking about "shocks" through the EU from the Greeks for last 10 years. Has not happened.

I would suspect that the EU would not be very keen on a member state (if Scotland were to become one, and that is the point of the discussion) using the currency of another state that was not itself an EU member, in fact I doubt we would even get a cup of tea out of the EU if we pitched up with such an approach.

I suspect the price now is either:

1, adopt the Euro
2. reintroduce the Scottish pound if the EU would accept a new enrtant not using the Euro.

At least with these we may get tea and a biscuit during our friendly chat.

The variables of independence just got a little more complicated since 2014 but at least one is removed, the currency would not be sterling.

Without any input into the quantum of the money supply/ interest rates Scotland would be incapable of correcting matters and even the EU would have no control over same, no, if rUK is leaving and Scotland wants EU membership then we stop using sterling.

Well, I think if the Scotland has a choice between the Euro and being outside of the EU, my guess is that they will choose the Euro.

Sturgeon will just point to the Irish ac cross the border and how successful they have been with the Euro.

Hahaha really? 'has not happened' how do you explain the Euro crisis after these last few years? just a figment of our imaginations? grow up.

Ive had 'debates' with you before you just like the sound of your own words, typical lefty full of opinions and none of the facts. If you think the only thing holding scotland back from the EU is Spain you are deluded.

Again check out the facts, the scottish electorate still doesn't have the appetite to leave the UK, if you are literally only picking up on that as a result of what politicians have feared and what the guardian has said then you clearly are not in touch with the facts on the ground.




Sturgeon knows she only really has one more chance in this generation to hold a referendum so she'll hold it when she knows she can win that is pretty much established policy look it up. She is not going to run the risk unless she knows full on she can win and the polls are not reflecting that.

Well, I think if the Scotland has a choice between the Euro and being outside of the EU, my guess is that they will choose the Euro.

Sturgeon will just point to the Irish ac cross the border and how successful they have been with the Euro.

Well, I think if the Scotland has a choice between the Euro and being outside of the EU, my guess is that they will choose the Euro.

Sturgeon will just point to the Irish ac cross the border and how successful they have been with the Euro.

You clearly don't know much about Irish economics if you think they are a success story. You fail to take into account that the older scottish voter, as was one of the biggest bugs before, do not want to risk their investments by completely converting them over, you talk about a weak pound, do you really think they're going to want to convert it over now and lose out? even by your own logic it doesn't hold up.

Yawn. Euro Crisis? Has the Euro dropped 15% like the pound did? Seems like the pound is having a crisis.

There is a need for fiscal transfer within the Eurozone. I am happy ot admit that. IT may even break up.

However, has their been a shock from the Greek situation, like you just claimed? No.

Is that the same Ireland? Success has been somewhat mixed, they are staggering back onto their feet post the financial crash.

I think she will bide her time a little to see how thinks develop, the difficulties that could arise re cross border trading with an rUK outwith the EU could be tricky, she will likely wish to see the flavour of those arrangements between the EU/rUK before running any referendum.

Is that the same Ireland? Success has been somewhat mixed, they are staggering back onto their feet post the financial crash.

I think she will bide her time a little to see how thinks develop, the difficulties that could arise re cross border trading with an rUK outwith the EU could be tricky, she will likely wish to see the flavour of those arrangements between the EU/rUK before running any referendum.

You think you're smarter than most of the electorate? so much for being a peaceloving democrat.. the truth is it is all about your ego to stand out as some pseudo-intellectual who clearly doesn't understand the reality on the ground.

That is a great argument there. You don't know much about economics.
hahaha

Any Irish person only needs to go back 40 years when Ireland was a complete **** hole to know the incredible transformation that has occurred. The Irish have the fastest growth rates in the EU and will be attracting even more business now. That is why they are Pro EU.

Oh and what about the younger Scottish voter who doesn't give a **** about their bank balance?

Pound didn't drop 15%, im worried if you are a doctor with your maths, i guess its good you can help bump off some of those elderly you have such contempt for. It has levelled out now, a crisis is prolonged economic adversity like we see in the EU

There has been a shockwaves going through the Eurozone for a long time now if you're too obtuse to admit that then i wont try to convince a brick wall. As for the 'need for fiscal transfer' that is fancy talk for a suffocated, basketcase economy depending on the EU to bail them out again and again, that is not being solved it is papering over the cracks and sooner or later something will have to give..

You flippantly admit the EU might break up yet think we're silly to not be a part of it? lol.

Just don't give them one, simple. Or agree to do it but in 5 years time, by which time they will be used to non-EU life and see that everything is fine.

They might be staggering but they are doing well. First significant budget since the crash without any cuts. The next few years will be bright.

She may bide her time. I could imagine the EU being deliberately spiteful and offering her what she wants.

hahaha. Love how you are using insults.

Don't get angry because it is the end of the Union.

It did drop by 15% against the Yen.



Nope. I was saying that the Eurozone might breakup unless there is an agreement for Fiscal transfer. Not the EU.

People like you have been talking about "something will have to give" for 10 years. Hasn't happened. However, I listened to those with degrees that said the pound would have a "shockwave" and took my money out beforehand. Don't get jelly.

Given Scotland's current cross border trade with rUK this relationship will be very important, we also have the issue of few direct transport links with Europe that do not go through England.

If I were the Scottish Government I would meantime be trying to give a little nudge to sea freight from say Rosyth to Europe as if we do leave the UK it will be useful, at least we have a second bridge from the central belt coming online soon,

I did not support independence in 2014 but will keep an open mind-it all depends what deal the UK does get with the EU, but if it is poor even I may decide to vote to leave (and I was very anti the idea in 2014)

One of the sells in 2014 was vote remain stay in the EU, whilst I do not particularly like the EU, and flirted with a leave vote, at the end of the day, and in the face of the lies from both sides, I did not consider the risks met the rewards; in my case it was a tight call and I do appreciate some of the Leave arguments, but the case made was just not strong enough. (I needed more certainties and there were none)

I am an Anglo-Scot, parents from both sides of the border, leaving rUK would be a wrench, but if the economics post Leave do not stack up maybe it is a choice I will just have to make; time will tell.

To be fair you were so sure we'd stay in the EU, it would be safe to bet against you.

Lol 15% against yen is not the pound dropping 15% in overall value... duh.