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Vince Cable - Democracy is a terrible way to make decisions

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Well he should Leave the UK and go to a country like Cuba or North Korea and see the benefits of dictatorship.
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He's absolutely right.
Hey, why don't we get the public to vote on how we should build the new fusion reactor Cambridge wanted to build, let's hold a referendum on whether to build a Takamak kind or some other one.
Original post by oShahpo
He's absolutely right.
Hey, why don't we get the public to vote on how we should build the new fusion reactor Cambridge wanted to build, let's hold a referendum on whether to build a Takamak kind or some other one.


What the actual ****.
Mugabe knows what he's doing
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Original post by The Roast
What the actual ****.


Perhaps it's a bit of an exaggeration, but I don't expect anyone with no political or economic experience whatsoever to have the qualities that deem their opinion in such complex issues to be worthy enough of consideration. Specially when their is such division on the issue.
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Original post by oShahpo
Perhaps it's a bit of an exaggeration, but I don't expect anyone with no political or economic experience whatsoever to have the qualities that deem their opinion in such complex issues to be worthy enough of consideration. Specially when their is such division on the issue.


Are you a socialist?
Reply 7
Original post by otester
Are you a socialist?


I have no idea what socialism is to be honest. I just believe that the public should vote for who they trust to run the country, they shouldn't run the country themselves.
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Original post by oShahpo
He's absolutely right.
Hey, why don't we get the public to vote on how we should build the new fusion reactor Cambridge wanted to build, let's hold a referendum on whether to build a Takamak kind or some other one.


Highly spurious. Building a fusion reactor does not affect people's lives, in fact it may never actually affect people's lives. There's a running joke that fusion power is always 50 years away. The EU directly impacted people's lives.
Original post by Fantastic Fan
Well he should Leave the UK and go to a country like Cuba or North Korea and see the benefits of dictatorship.


What about a benevolent dictator like the kind Thomas Hobbes proposed?

Original post by oShahpo
I have no idea what socialism is to be honest. I just believe that the public should vote for who they trust to run the country, they shouldn't run the country themselves.


Perhaps you would support a technocracy? To borrow from wikipedia:

Technocracy is an organizational structure or system of governance where decision-makers are selected on the basis of technological knowledge. In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field.
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Original post by The Epicurean
What about a benevolent dictator like the kind Thomas Hobbes proposed?



I still feel that the people should have a say in who runs the people, and the legislation no matter how benevolent they may be.

Original post by The Epicurean

Perhaps you would support a technocracy? To borrow from wikipedia:




Is that very similar to a capitalistic meritocracy? Whereby experts in a given field usually excel and see proceeds of their knowledge and skills?
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Power corrupts, especially undemocratic power. The EU beast has been wounded but not slain.
Original post by oShahpo
Perhaps it's a bit of an exaggeration, but I don't expect anyone with no political or economic experience whatsoever to have the qualities that deem their opinion in such complex issues to be worthy enough of consideration. Specially when their is such division on the issue.


I cant possibly imagine how this could be abused :colonhash:

I know a bloke who would agree with you though



I know a country that would disagree with you though

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1435383/How-direct-democracy-makes-Switzerland-a-better-place.html

Funnily enough, Switzerland was ranked 2nd in happiest countries in the world.. seems the people love direct demcoracy. North korea? Well

Guess which country leads the world in quality of life?
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We wouldn't be in this bloody mess if his party stuck to his tuition fees pledge, didn't get annihilated in 2015 and stopped the Tories holding this referendum like in the coalition.
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Original post by Fantastic Fan
Well he should Leave the UK and go to a country like Cuba or North Korea and see the benefits of dictatorship.


Exactly
Original post by ohgeez
Highly spurious. Building a fusion reactor does not affect people's lives, in fact it may never actually affect people's lives. There's a running joke that fusion power is always 50 years away. The EU directly impacted people's lives.

Fusion power would affect people's lives in tremendous ways if ever implemented. Nuclear energy with no considerable waste, that's revolutionary enough to change the world and it's outlook on energy.
I was using the analogy to convey that such decisions, such as the participation in a political and economic union, is no easy matter and should be only considered by people whom, first of all, we have chosen to represent our lines of thought, and whom are learned and experienced enough to analyse such situations from all angles and from all perspectives to come out with the best solution that aligns with both the national interest, and the agenda that we voted them for.

Look at this way, imagine the people are investors, and their investment is their political voice, i.e. their voting power. Which investor do you think will be more successful? One that invests in a technical product, say a mobile application, then hires the best programmers and engineers from around the world and lets them do the job they're trained for. Or an investor who runs to programmers, telling them what languages to use, what lines of code to write and so on? Of course, the investor should have a vision into what the final product should look like, but they should in no way participate in the creative process.
Same thing here, the public wants democracy, better healthcare, better financial system and better economy. They have their voting power, their capital, with which they should choose the best politicians that will bring them the final goals they desire. The voters should NOT interfere with the way this is going to be achieved, as they often will be wrong.
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Original post by The Epicurean
What about a benevolent dictator like the kind Thomas Hobbes proposed?



Perhaps you would support a technocracy? To borrow from wikipedia:


Technocracies, from my understanding, are not voted to power, I oppose that. I want people to select someone who represents them and their beliefs, then leave the person they choose, who should be an expert, to make the big decisions.
Original post by Betelgeuse-
I cant possibly imagine how this could be abused :colonhash:

I know a bloke who would agree with you though



I know a country that would disagree with you though

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1435383/How-direct-democracy-makes-Switzerland-a-better-place.html

Funnily enough, Switzerland was ranked 2nd in happiest countries in the world.. seems the people love direct demcoracy. North korea? Well

Guess which country leads the world in quality of life?

I am not saying we should be a dictatorship, I am only saying that we should choose the experts who have views similar to ours, THEN leave the experts to do the complex economic and political analysis of situations like this.
Well, obviously he is right. Most people don't know what they are voting for. That has been shown in polls.

You can tell people that £350 million won't be used for NHS funding. People won't listen.
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The poor and uneducated voted for Brexit because they want someone to blame for the mediocrity ( IE immigrants).

In 5 years time, they are still going to be mediocre and poorer.

Take the North for example. They get more EU money than any other parts of UK because the UK Government under-invests in the North.. They have lower immigration rates than the UK.

Yet, they overwhelmingly voted to leave the EU on the EU money and immigration.

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