We should hold a general election ASAP

Do we really want Gove, Johnson, IDS, Patel and Farage to decide our destiny?

The Scots and Northern Irish will finally be able to decide if they want to be a part of the UK or not.

Why do people think Farage is getting a say in this? He's not part of the government, he's not an elected official in this country, he was just a vocal exit person.



You do know that that's not decided in a general election, right?

Well actually.........you are wrong. He has been a very vocal person and has the most experience in dealing with the EU. Furthermore, ukip are elected as MEP's in the EU, so they do have a say in how things will run.

To dismiss him (thats if they can) would be stupid.

Being vocal is a qualification now? So why isn't Brian Blessed PM?

And given that UKIP MEPs regularly boycott a huge proportion of meetings our 'regular' MPs have far more credence in this argument. Now that we're leaving, our MEPs become even less relevant.

So no, I still don't get why we're giving him so much credence.

No, I meant in the sense that he has been the most vocal in wanting to leave the EU a lot longer than the others.

Your second point really doesn't escape the fact that they have been elected as MEP's but the public and thus have weight behind them as much as normal MP's (in fact more since they were elected purely to discuss EU issues that affect the uk).

Because without Ukip/Nigel Farage we wouldn't have had this referendum and it wouldn't be a big issue since not many people knew what it was :P

I still don't buy into the argument that that should give him any say in how things are run. He hasn't held elected office in this country, let alone in the government of the day.

The token 1 UKIP MP has more right to involvement than he does.

But understand while ukip only have 1 UKIP MP, they have 24 MEP's.

But still, so what?

As I already said, there role is to discuss "have the power to approve, amend or reject nearly all EU legislation."

So whatever the leader of whoever is dealing with the EU. They will need the backing of the MEP's. Otherwise the MEP's can overrule it.

In terms of negotiating an exit I'm sure all UK MEPs are an irrelevance, they (the EU) wouldn't be able to have people who are voting two ways.

I disagree. I would imagine if some compromise like accepting the free movement of people in exchange for access to the single market, then ukip MEP's will have a say in that.

1- from everything that's been said I think the chance of being offered any compromise is remote at best.
2- anything that is offered will be offered by the EU leaders, not those we have put within the EU.

The EU have been very clear that they don't want to make this seem like a good thing, that they don't want to give any other country a reason to do the same. Allowing our own MEPs to have a say would be massively counterproductive.

I don't really agree with the OP in terms of needing a new election as i'm perfectly fine with representative democracy (it's more important that we hold a general election to ratify the exit agreement or vote for a party wishing to stay).

With the above being said though, i have never seen Labour voters ever stick the middle finger up to their party on that scale before and for the first time i can see a real path to securing monster Tory majorities and regaining the working class vote. If the Tories can elect a center-right Euro-skeptic who genuinely and resolutely focuses on putting the working poor and the bulk of England first rather than London then i think we have the potential to absolutely crush Labour.

In short, i don't think we need to but i do think it may be in the Tory self interest to kick labour while they are down because the electorate really don't seem to be in the mood to do as the Islington set tell them.