Will you guys just shut the **** up about losing the referendum?

How do you know that ? Did you ask every single remain voter why they voted ? I doubted since i know one who did so because a fit girl did !

- 16/17 year olds were not included, despite being in the demographic affected for the greatest period of time.
- The referendum never should have existed because the decision on leaving the EU was not ours to make (this opens up another trail of arguments but I've already dealt with this, I'll link you to those posts if need be).
- The 'majority' was 52% of a 72% turnout of eligible voters.
- EU citizens who have lived here for years and contributed greatly to the economy were deprived of the vote.
- The Leave campaign has founded itself on misinformation and lies, spearheaded by an opportunist who never wanted the actual Brexit result.
- Many of those who voted Leave were the disillusioned working classes making a protest vote, rather than opting for it on the basis that they had genuine belief in the choice.

Referendums are not binding.

Yea I don't mean every single one, and should not have said that. But I mean the general premise of the remain camp was not based on any of that.

I personally do not believe that under 18s should be given the vote because we do not contribute much to society in the first place. I am not going to say the argument of "young people getting more manipulated", because that is ****ing stupid in itself, older people get manipulated as well and are drooling idiots. However, I am not entirely sure of how our future will be affected within this referendum but I still feel if we were to allow people to vote of lower ages in one election rather than all elections, it is open to be called unfair. Even if you can argue a good case which I can agree with and perhaps change my mind, if we are to call a second referendum we should keep the same conditions of the previous one (assuming that you believe that 16-17 year olds should be given the vote for the new referendum, in which case that you don't it does not apply to you), but even then one election shouldn't be different to another to me. We can't just have 16-17 year olds vote in one election and not vote in another in my opinion.

We do not make every decision of what the government does and in some cases we shouldn't. As I mentioned earlier though, I do not know the source of the referendum happening so I will not comment deeply on this. If you want to send me a link I would be happy to look at it.

I'm not sure what your point entirely is with this one. 52% may be just over the 50% majority limit, but it is still 1 million + people.

It then again depends on how long people have lived within the country and election laws must be abided. A reform of election laws could solve this issue for future voting.

I can agree with some of this statement. The campagins were full of misinformation, but some of remain could be full of misinformation as well in some people's regard. However, despite the fact that the whole referendum itself was full of misinformation coming from both sides, I do not think the 17410742 people ALL voted because of any misinformation they heard, but perhaps their own opinion from other arguments, or their own opinion on the system of the Eu itself. 17410742 people are not going to look at a huge ****ing bus and say "Oh well, that's going to be my reason to vote leave!". Some people may do this, in which case they are an idiot, but some people who voted leave did not just listen to misinformation.

Sorry if that was lengthy, if you want to argue against anything please feel free to do so.

Once again i ask you - how do you know that ? That is not a statement of fact but your opion which is very biased ! Stick that in a thesis and claim it is fact and you would be laughed at !

- 16 and 17 year olds are not the demographic affected for the most amount of time. The older generation saw how the EU was pushed onto the UK in the 70's and have ad to live with job cuts and declines in industry ever since ! They will also be the ones that have to fix it for the 16/17 year olds to have a future ! By the time they reacha working age - stability would already be in place !

- if the descision to leave wasn't ours - whose was it ? Europes ? A dictator ? Do you not respect your right to vote or the deaths of thousands in the World Wars toensure you have that right ?

- EU citizens should have had the vote. Why - only those that have citizenship could vote. Those that don't either choose not to apply or haven't worked here long enough !

- The remain campaign was founded on exageration, lies and scaremongering !

- many who voted leave have studied the arguments for and against and never took the descision lightly. The majority made an informed descision. You shouldn't make generalisations based upon bigotry ! Few if any made a protest vote - one or two videos is not evidence of this !

Lol are you really trying to insult peoples' intelligence by implying 'threat to peace on the continent' could mean angry ambassadors? you can't see the implication given the context and history of Europe?

The quote by Tusk/Junker speaks for itself, it doesn't need explaining that brexit will not lead to the collapse of western civilisation.

You see an implication, I don't. Your argument is nothing but subjectivity.

My point was that you took quotes out of context, and downright lied. You've proved as much in your responses.

Will you guys just shut the **** up about losing the referendum?

Wel why are we not supposed to voice our opinions when we represent over 48% of the electorate and our will must also be considered. I never wanted to leave the EU.

If you love the EU so much, please feel free to move to Belgium, they love it.

Insolent reply.

If you love the EU so much, please feel free to move to Belgium, they love it.

I think that 16 year olds should be entitled to vote in any election or referendum, I'm just particularly hitting this point now because it's so relevant. You're right, we can't have inconsistency.

In my opinion the referendum only came about as the result of Cameron and the Tory government edging it into their manifesto in order to appease backbenchers and win the general election.
Here you go - essentially I'm arguing that the referendum shouldn't exist, primarily because none of us have the knowledge at hand or right to make such a monumental decision, and someone told me that my argument was derisive and undemocratic. This was my response.

The terms of the referendum were, to many of us, injust and undemocratic. Being able to pass a mandate by merely exceeding the 50% threshold by one vote does not seem to me to be representative of an entire population. The means of allowing people to vote was democratic but I think you need a more obvious consensus to take such an outcome as 'the will of the people', especially on a choice as pivotal as this. 60% perhaps.

I'm unhappy with many aspects of the Remain campaign too. I voted Remain on the basis that about 95% of experts were warning us against leaving the EU, it's easier to reform something when you're a member of it, and as I said, the people in charge of the Leave campaign were unsavoury characters that offered no compelling arguments that couldn't be easily refuted.

As a side note, I thank you for being polite in your counterarguments!

You look into the situation yourself from unbiased sources, and you decide what is called an opinion, a concept I think some of you cannot comprehend.

I doubt that Belgium would accept the influx of 48.2 of the UK population (especially since the UK, at least politically, if not technically, is not part of the EU anymore)

also, you would feel very lonely with half the population gone