This isn't democracy.

TSR has always been like this. The country never ever votes like TSR, some posters on TSR think they are all that matters. A poll on TSR is never an indication of how the country will vote.

I know democracy is a privilege we should all hold dear. But the fairness of democracy is severely limited when people are fed propaganda and broken-promises by a campaign and the media.

You had the right to make a decision, great, democracy. But your decision was severely influenced by lies, dirty tactics and propaganda. Is that really what a fair democracy is?

A lot of the people who voted for Brexit were uneducated, and boy did the Brexit campaign know that. They knew that those uneducated individuals would be so easily influenced by hatred towards immigration, and false promises about the £350m saved going towards the NHS. Anyone with some sense would smell the horse **** a mile off, but they didn't have to worry about that when most of their voters didn't have an ounce of sense.

Surely this then is an argument for a totally uninformed vote which is even worse

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I don't know y a lot of u r complaining about the referendum.This is how DEMOCRACY WORKS, it is one person one vote and the majority wins, it is not an ideal system but the best system we know, and what do u mean by "checks and balances on the democratic system", if there were checks and balances that would not be a democracy, it would be like the democratic primary in US where super delegates have more power than the normal person just because the establishment thinks the are "intellectually superior" so the know what is best 4 u and me not us, This is FASCISM NOT DEMOCRACY. Again DEMOCRACY is ONE PERSON ONE VOTE WITH OUT CHECKS AND BALANCES!

I know democracy is a privilege we should all hold dear. But the fairness of democracy is severely limited when people are fed propaganda and broken-promises by a campaign and the media.

You had the right to make a decision, great, democracy. But your decision was severely influenced by lies, dirty tactics and propaganda. Is that really what a fair democracy is?

A lot of the people who voted for Brexit were uneducated, and boy did the Brexit campaign know that. They knew that those uneducated individuals would be so easily influenced by hatred towards immigration, and false promises about the £350m saved going towards the NHS. Anyone with some sense would smell the horse **** a mile off, but they didn't have to worry about that when most of their voters didn't have an ounce of sense.

What utterly absurd, anti-intellectual nonsense. There's nothing more I can really say about this, if you're arrogant enough to put your layperson's view in front of the expert consensus, there's nothing I can do. You can't argue with somebody who refuses to acknowledge evidence.



So you're telling me it's not true that there are only 3.5m immigrants in the UK? It's not true that only 0.3% of the UK Child Benefit budget is spent on foreign aid? That it's not true that the EU spends only 6% of its budget on administration? That's it's not true that Leave have outlined absolutely no concrete, clear plan as to how they intend to achieve the things they're claiming they can do when much of it has been contradicted by lawmakers and other countries? You're telling me that the majority of the electorate understand the impact that this is likely to have on the environment, on healthcare, on education, on science, on the arts and on European stability?

This is how democracy works.

You cast your vote, wait for the results, and accept it.

You can't protest a democratic vote, doing that makes you a fascist, so get over it.

Democracy is tyranny of the majority

Referendums aren't how a representative democracy works.

They are an organized system of votes, for the people, and by the people so yes it is how a democracy works

What utterly absurd, anti-intellectual nonsense. There's nothing more I can really say about this, if you're arrogant enough to put your layperson's view in front of the expert consensus, there's nothing I can do. You can't argue with somebody who refuses to acknowledge evidence.



So you're telling me it's not true that there are only 3.5m immigrants in the UK? It's not true that only 0.3% of the UK Child Benefit budget is spent on foreign aid? That it's not true that the EU spends only 6% of its budget on administration? That's it's not true that Leave have outlined absolutely no concrete, clear plan as to how they intend to achieve the things they're claiming they can do when much of it has been contradicted by lawmakers and other countries? You're telling me that the majority of the electorate understand the impact that this is likely to have on the environment, on healthcare, on education, on science, on the arts and on European stability?

This is honestly the most upsetting part of the result.

It really does make you question democracy, and no I'm not saying I don't want democracy and no I'm not a facist. But what is democracy when people vote based on a campaign filled with lies?

Politicians played a dirty game, especially Boris (and his father to some extent), I think voters should have opened there eyes a bit more.

Yes, we are the United Kingdom, perhaps London should become its own country, but then East London would have to become its own country because they wanted to leave, but then Newham would have to become its own country because they voted to stay, but then Mr Smith at number 42 would have to become his own country because he voted to leave. It's just an absurdist argument.

Care to take a look at your passport and tell me what country is named on the front? The idea that once country voting to remain means we should remain is fundamentally undemocratic, it means 1 person could overthrow over 45m; or how about we flip it the other way, why should Scotland and NI force England and Wales to stay?

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Except that scotland is actually a country.

London is not and is part of england so should face the consequences.

Scotland is not part of england and for a decision of this magnitude, scotland should control what happens.

If anything your argument is absurd. A city is not the same as a country or a person.

Scotland is part of the country of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Why would you go back to an arbitrary point just over 300 years ago to define a country? Why not choose 600 years and have Scotland and the Earldom of Orkney? Or 900 years and have The Kingdom of Mann and The Isles, Scotland, Strathclyde and Carrick and Galloway?