Compulsory Military Service for the Unemployed

Firstly please do not be rude and disrespectful.

In the wake of the EU exit, with these "immigrants" leaving and giving up their jobs I would like to suggest an idea for those who will still be unemployed.

Those who are not mentally or physically ill, out of work for a year, will have to join the Army / RAF / Navy. Effectively pre-war conscription.

Thoughts???

It serves no purpose, we're not at war and it unfairly penalises the men and women who actually wish to serve.

No.

The military doesn't want them, can't afford them and can't house them.

It's a waste of time and money.

And the chances are, most wouldn't pass selection standards.

Have you got any military experience?
Would the military want just any old person?
Does it degrade people who actually choose to serve?
Are all people who are deemed not physically/mentally ill automatically capable?

Well how is the benefit system any better then?

I agree about selection standards.


I have got military experience however it was not for me and I am running off to Uni.

Because the costs of accommodating tens of thousands of new recruits would be astronomical. We sold off all the old bases, we no longer have the area to house them.
And that's before you add the cost of all the extra personnel you'd need to manage those people, the admin, the training officers... all the extra equipment you need for them to train on.

And then you ignore the fact that if you've only got them for 2 years you're getting rid of them just when they could actually start being useful.

You're proposing a £20bn solution to a £1bn problem.

What's your mil experience?

I'm not saying they would be there forever and that they would all be there at once, it would be like a waiting list, it would allow people to develop skills and do something useful when not working...

2 years? Why is there that limit?

so effectively you think it is better to keep them unemployed on benefits for life than spend more money and give them skills?

not much at all, however I fail to see how my mil. experience has anything to do with this

thanks for your valid discussion though, I know practically this would never work but it's nice to see opinions of others

Firstly please do not be rude and disrespectful.

In the wake of the EU exit, with these "immigrants" leaving and giving up their jobs I would like to suggest an idea for those who will still be unemployed.

Those who are not mentally or physically ill, out of work for a year, will have to join the Army / RAF / Navy. Effectively pre-war conscription.

Thoughts???

You proposed it to be like conscription - conscription in the 50s was 2 years.

Do you know how many people there are in the 20-40 age group? Do you know how many new people fall into that category every year? How many people will you be proposing to take on every year? How many new tanks, trucks, ships and planes will we need for those guys to man? How much will that cost?

Why is it the military's responsibility to give those people skills and training?

I'm saying there's cost effectiveness. This solution comes nowhere near to meeting that on any level.


And yes, your military experience is relevant - if you'd been in you'd know that everyone would despise conscription.

Fwiw, I have been in the military. This would simply never work.

Your basically trying to invoke EU army conscription into British law. No thanks.What we do need though is a flood defence task force to protect our coasts & a huge housing project task force.

I think conscription was definitely the wrong word to use, I do apologise for that.

You do realise I said unemployed, I did not say everyone?

Well it's not their responsibility but at least in the event of a war we are more prepared.

I do know that it is despised but I did not really consider that using the word kinda of ruined my argument.

well not really because if you are living at home on benefits, in some cases you want to be there. The use of the word conscription was wrong, effectively I'm proposing training for those out of employment for a year.

As for flood defence and housing, may this would be a better application? We clearly need better flood barriers and more homes to be built so those unemployed for a year or more could be trained up to take these roles.

So how many are we talking? Do you know?

And how many wars have we fought in the last 60 years that we've needed conscriptees for? Wars aren't fought like that any more. We don't send battalions of men over the top of the trenches.

There's no reason whatsoever to make this the military's problem. The MoD simply wouldn't cope. Hell, just consider the difference in wages between someone claiming JSA and even the lowest level private in the Army. You tell me that it's worth the money...

You're proposing a 19th century solution to something which isn't that much of a problem.

It serves no purpose, we're not at war and it unfairly penalises the men and women who actually wish to serve.

We have a paid, voluntary

Compulsory cheap labour service would make more sense...

Basically the scum who want to sit on their arses all day and claim benefits are beyond help...

I don't see how its any different to military conscription in terms of these 'morals' and 'ethics' and such

A crude, crass and moronic simplification of what I said.

Firstly please do not be rude and disrespectful.

In the wake of the EU exit, with these "immigrants" leaving and giving up their jobs I would like to suggest an idea for those who will still be unemployed.

Those who are not mentally or physically ill, out of work for a year, will have to join the Army / RAF / Navy. Effectively pre-war conscription.

Thoughts???

a more practical plan would be to use these people to generate energy. the French company EDF are not going to build the desperately needed new power station at Hinckley Point now that we have destroyed our relationship with Europe.
a simple array of exercise bikes would generate enough power for a city the size of Manchester.
as a result these people would lose weight, contribute to the National Budget and earn their benefits.*