Chief Rabbi condemns 'offensive' Corbyn anti-Semitism comments

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I don't think that Corbyn's comments were anti-Semitic at all - people need to stop confusing anti-semitism and anti-zionism

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username1221160

Being offended is something of a national sport.

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drogon

It wasnt anti semitic. The Israeli government has broken dozens of UN conventions and committed activities similar to that of terrorist groups.

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RetiredAccount89

Original post by Mathemagicien

Apparently this is comparing Israel to Islamic State:

"Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those various self-styled Islamic states or organisations."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36676018

However, there was some actual anti-Semitism in that meeting, with a figurehead of the grassroots Labour movement Momentum accusing a Jewish Labour MP of being in collusion with the right wing media

Israel has perpetrated many atrocities and defied many a UN resolution.

I think the jist that many people want to get across (myself included) is that being anti-Israel does not mean anti-semitic. There are infact several anti-zionist Jewish groups.

But that said Corbyn is rather too tolerant of those who are a bit more clearly anti-semitic than definitively anti-zionism.

Reply 5

The Roast

War of words between two barmy old sods.

How entertaining.

Reply 6

Ravenous

Original post by Mathemagicien

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However, there was some actual anti-Semitism in that meeting, with a figurehead of the grassroots Labour movement Momentum accusing a Jewish Labour MP of being in collusion with the right wing media

How is that Anti-Semitism?

Reply 7

The_Opinion

No surprise, the left is full of Jew haters.

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viddy9

There was no equivalence drawn between Israel and ISIS whatsoever. Anyone thinks there was a "comparison" needs to go to a Logic 101 class. Mr. Corbyn was simply making the point that a whole group of people should not be blamed for the actions of a few.

Interesting that many of the media commentators who rail against the PC and microaggression culture that pervades our universities are now acting as if they're "offended" by this.

Reply 9

Golden State

Jeremy Corbyn should apologise to the British Jewish community for his offensive remarks. It's disgraceful to compare ISIS to Israel.

Reply 10

The Epicurean

Original post by Mathemagicien

Someone questioned him on whether he was comparing the actions of ISIS with the actions of Israel, and he responded by shaking his head to show disagreement, though he didn't elaborate or say anything.

[video="youtube;U9XfYwetHXw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9XfYwetHXw[/video]

Reply 11

drogon

Original post by Mathemagicien

Having watched a video of the encounter elsewhere, where the Momentum activist immediately goes on to attack Labour for being too white (and IIRC links it to her 'collusion' with the media), I believe ethnic and religious divides are on his mind, so I would guess that he accused her of that because she is Jewish. Just a hunch, admittedly, I'll try link the video in a moment

thats quite far fetched dont you think?

Reply 12

nexttimeigetvpn

Original post by Lord Gaben

Jeremy Corbyn should apologise to the British Jewish community for his offensive remarks. It's disgraceful to compare ISIS to Israel.

yeah **** democracy everyone should apologise every time someones offended

Reply 13

meenu89

'For heavens sake man, go!'

Reply 14

Coreling

He didn't compare Israel to ISIS, he compared them to "self styled Islamic states and organisations". This is a much broader phrase and probably means countries like Saudi and Iran who both fit that definition. Regardless, the key point being missed by the entirety of the media is that it was a comparison meant to DEFEND Jews, not vilify them. Corbyn was (rightly) dissociating the actions and beliefs of Netanyahu's Israel from the actions and beliefs of Jews. As a vehicle for that comparison Corbyn also (rightly) applied the same logic to countries like Saudi/Iran and their citizens. The uproar from the media around this event is an indictment of the current state of political journalism.

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MildredMalone

ISIS and Israel shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. Frankly, Corbyn knows how the press twists everything, so he should have asked his speechwriter to phrase it better.

Reply 16

Plagioclase

It's not anti-semitic but it was an utterly stupid thing to say. I cannot understand how he hasn't learned by now that this is not something you say, particularly given his position at the moment.

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anarchism101

Original post by viddy9

Nail on the head. It was a similar story with the Naz Shah affair, which was initially instigated and heavily pushed by Paul Staines, who spends the rest of his time shouting about how he supposedly hates 'political correctness'.

On the Chakrabarti report itself, which is the actually important thing here, it was predictably generic. Not wrong, just not actually addressing the political disagreements that brought it about in the first place, either by refuting or accepting.

Reply 18

ChaoticButterfly

Not anti-semitic but he was stupid for saying it purely because this is how people will react to it.

Also the state of Isreal is not really comparable to ISIS. Isreal has a lot of progressive things about it. ISIS has none whatsoever.

Original post by Izzebie

I don't think that Corbyn's comments were anti-Semitic at all - people need to stop confusing anti-semitism and anti-zionism

Also apposing actions Isreal takes is also not inherently ani-zionist either.