Chief Rabbi condemns 'offensive' Corbyn anti-Semitism comments

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

And there is no history of the right doing anything at all bad towards Jews.

There is not, at least not to the extent that the left have.

Hitler, you know, that Hitler that was head of the Socialist party that supported nationalisation of railways and was against "unearned wealth", e.g. rental income, he was another leftist against Jews.

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tanyapotter

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If there wasn't already a good time to resign, it's now.

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Tabstercat

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Original post by Izzebie

I don't think that Corbyn's comments were anti-Semitic at all - people need to stop confusing anti-semitism and anti-zionism

Why are you trying to tell an oppressed minority what they should and shouldn't be offended by? :lol:

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...Charlie...

Corbyn is a disaster, long may he reign.

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SophiaNeuning

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Labour needs to get it's ****ing act together.

Original post by meenu89

'For heavens sake man, go!'

You missed me! :wink:

ok

Why can't labour have someone like Andy Burnham as leader? Then we can actually take them seriously.

I don't think it is that offensive though

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Thutmose-III

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Original post by Izzebie

I don't think that Corbyn's comments were anti-Semitic at all - people need to stop confusing anti-semitism and anti-zionism

I'm sorry but there is no difference.

If you want very bad things to happen to lots of Jews, you're an anti-semite. That's what anti-zionists want.

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Thutmose-III

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Either Corbyn was being deliberately offensive or he's a complete moron for using that formulation not knowing people would find it offensive.

And yes, he clearly is comparing them by putting Israel in the same category for Jews as ISIS would be for Muslims. That's preposterous, whatever Israel's problems it's simply bizarre to formulate the proposition in that way,

He is saying as a logical proposition "Jew is to Israel as Muslim is to ISIS"

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Thutmose-III

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Original post by The_Opinion

There is not, at least not to the extent that the left have.

Hitler, you know, that Hitler that was head of the Socialist party that supported nationalisation of railways and was against "unearned wealth", e.g. rental income, he was another leftist against Jews.

Erm... Hitler wasn't left-wing. National Socialism is not a left-wing ideology

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incredible randi

Original post by Thutmose-III

Either Corbyn was being deliberately offensive or he's a complete moron for using that formulation not knowing people would find it offensive.

He was just quoting from the report, not his fault if certain people like to be offended.

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incredible randi

Original post by MildredMalone

ISIS and Israel shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.

madness!

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Izzebie

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Original post by Thutmose-III

I'm sorry but there is no difference.

If you want very bad things to happen to lots of Jews, you're an anti-semite. That's what anti-zionists want.

There is a big difference between the two - anti-zionism is 'opposition to the idea of an establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, the opposition to some policies of Israel and its extension, or to the modern State of Israel as defined as A Jewish and Democratic State', whereas anti-semitism is predjudice against Jewish people. That's like saying by criticisng Saudi Arabia, you're being predjudiced against all Muslims, just because most of the population happens to be Muslim. Criticising a country's policies isn't the same thing as being predjudiced against a religon that the majority of the country holds.

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Izzebie

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Original post by ChaoticButterfly

Not anti-semitic but he was stupid for saying it purely because this is how people will react to it.

Also the state of Isreal is not really comparable to ISIS. Isreal has a lot of progressive things about it. ISIS has none whatsoever. .

Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing to say but I definitely don't think that it warranted all the negative reaction it did - he was literally just saying that extremists aren't representative of an entire group. And while Israel isn't nearly as bad as ISIS, they have still definitely done questionable things which are worthy of criticism.

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incredible randi

Original post by Thutmose-III

I'm sorry but there is no difference.

If you want very bad things to happen to lots of Jews, you're an anti-semite. That's what anti-zionists want.

What does that make Brexiteers?

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ChaoticButterfly

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Original post by Izzebie

Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing to say but I definitely don't think that it warranted all the negative reaction it did - he was literally just saying that extremists aren't representative of an entire group. And while Israel isn't nearly as bad as ISIS, they have still definitely done questionable things which are worthy of criticism.

I agree.

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Craig1998

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Original post by The_Opinion

No surprise, the left is full of Jew haters.

Idk it's not like the previous leader of the Labour party is culturally Jewish or anything tbh. But keep believing that.

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anarchism101

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Original post by Thutmose-III

I'm sorry but there is no difference.

If you want very bad things to happen to lots of Jews, you're an anti-semite. That's what anti-zionists want.

Go on then, let's see you run with this. Justify the last bit.

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username471863

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I was pretty sure that what he meant by the "self-styled Islamic states" was countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran, as he did not say "the Islamic State" (correct me if I'm wrong). If he meant ISIS then that was an idiotic thing to say and was in poor taste, even though I understand what he was getting at.

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Thutmose-III

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Original post by anarchism101

Go on then, let's see you run with this. Justify the last bit.

Anti-zionists want Jews in the Levant to be subject to a government that has a good chance of seeing them expelled en masse, if not killed.

Many of them admit it openly, and the ones who don't are nonetheless calling for it indirectly. If you want an outcome that leads to millions of Jews being harmed, then you are an anti-semite. And if you fixate on the State of Israel to the exclusion of pretty much everything else, if you assert that the world's only Jewish state is somehow uniquely culpable in the moral sense, that it is uniquely evil, then you are an anti-semite. If you spread anti-semitic tropes (that Jews control the media, that they control world finance, that they eat the blood of children) and then repurpose it to attack Israel (that Israel and Zionists control the media, that they control world finance, that they harvest the organs of Palestinians) then you are an anti-semite

[video="youtube;skghB8dIbaI"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skghB8dIbaI[/video]

Note the delight with which this woman talks about "6 million Jews" in Israel being expelled or murdered. Note the glee with which she denies the Holocaust. That is the face of modern anti-Zionism

There are many people who disagree with Israeli policy. I'm among them, I want the occupation of the West Bank to end and the settlements to be dismantled. But when you cross the line into consistent delegitimisation of Israel and a determination to see its people killed or expelled, then you are an anti-semite

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