German citizenship for young Brits

If we move to an EU country now it is likely that we will get some accelerated citizenship process. However some of us have ties shackling us to the British corpse - in my case multiple caring responsibilities.

Moving to an EU country is a fantasy which only single young people with no dependents, and no established career, can even begin to entertain.

Remainers must continue to agitate within the British political system over at least the coming six months for the vote to be ignored, or re-run, or put on the ballot paper at a general election, or watered down to an EEA-based arrangement.

The proper steps in this regard are to join the Tories and vote for Theresa May (although the deadline for this has now passed); to push at protests, in the papers, with your MP and in your local parties for two things: the EEA and a general election with the different leave options at issue; and then to vote en masse for the Liberal Democrats at that election if they do, as they have promised, commit to keeping us in the EU.

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Josb

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Original post by scrotgrot

then to vote en masse for the Liberal Democrats at that election if they do, as they have promised, commit to keeping us in the EU.

And we all know that the Lib Dems always keep their promises. :biggrin:

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Original post by Josb

And we all know that the Lib Dems always keep their promises. :biggrin:

And we all know that they get crucified in government. To ignore the Brexit vote might give them a parliamentary majority; at the very least it's the only way they will come back from the doldrums. But they would be vilified for it to a degree that no previous government has ever been and there would be violent unrest.

It is terribly unfair how the Lib Dems were ruined because of tuition fees when, for example, we have just seen prominent Leave Conservatives put about promises that people knew from the very start were falsehoods which could not be honoured.

It often seems like there is one rule for the Tories and another for the rest in this country. Why should this be? It's because the press support the Tories.

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username1494226

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I do love that the Leave campaigners feel they can try to deter people from wanting to leave the country, wanting them to share in the suffering. If you're a young person, have little anchoring you in this country and you have a career lined up abroad, take the opportunity.

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Maker

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Original post by Catholic_

Good riddence, now you know how the working class have felt for 25 years.

Leavers motivated by jealousy and envy, no wonder they hate anyone who tries to make something of themselves.

Leavers try to drag the young and hopeful down to their level.

I bet they want Remainers to stay so they can pay for their benefits.

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Maker

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Original post by scrotgrot

And we all know that they get crucified in government. To ignore the Brexit vote might give them a parliamentary majority; at the very least it's the only way they will come back from the doldrums. But they would be vilified for it to a degree that no previous government has ever been and there would be violent unrest.

It is terribly unfair how the Lib Dems were ruined because of tuition fees when, for example, we have just seen prominent Leave Conservatives put about promises that people knew from the very start were falsehoods which could not be honoured.

It often seems like there is one rule for the Tories and another for the rest in this country. Why should this be? It's because the press support the Tories.

Leavers won by a narrow majority, most are poor and disaffected.

Remainers are mostly young and well off.

Who do you think the government will listen to, those that pay taxes or those that claim benefits?

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Original post by Maker

Leavers won by a narrow majority, most are poor and disaffected.

Remainers are mostly young and well off.

Who do you think the government will listen to, those that pay taxes or those that claim benefits?

It's difficult to separate the conspiratorial from the reality, but some are increasingly convinced that Article 50 will never be triggered. As the candidates have settled on a vague understanding that the Brexit will be EEA plus whatever special demands we can extract, so a vague timetable has emerged whereby Article 50 is triggered this December or January. Certainly the longer it is left the less likely it is to be triggered. Andrea Leadsom seems to want to accelerate the process so it's done before we see the economic damage.

Furthermore, there is a major parliamentary impasse. There is a two-thirds pro-EU majority in the Commons, probably far more in the Lords, and two constituent countries of the UK stand ready to refuse legislative consent and/or launch independence movements. At some point over the next three months the will of the people is going to clash monumentally with the will of their elected representatives (and it is therefore the hope of all committed Remainers that a general election will be held wherein the Lib Dems will come through the middle of two increasingly extremist parties) and all others, probably not excluding Her Majesty, with interests in the continued coherence of the United Kingdom.

So if anyone thinks anything much is going to happen in the near future without, essentially, some kind of deus ex machina revolution against all legislative process and all elements of the British establishment, they will be sorely disappointed.

If you squint a bit it becomes clear from recent developments that the hand of some pretty powerful interests is weighing on the Tory leadership race. The Daily Mail, always a staunchly fascist paper, favours the social conservative, mixed economics candidate in Theresa May. The Murdoch press favours Gove because he would have taken us out but in a sensible way. The hard-right press like Breitbart and the Spectator are for Leadsom because she is like a Margaret Thatcher tribute act.

Some are increasingly seeing the referendum as a piece of political theatre aimed at engineering a right-wing coup of the Tory party, as if it wasn't right-wing enough. The question of whether we finish up in the EU or EEA pales into insignificance. The keener worry is that either way our most crucial rights are set to be burnt in a bonfire.

There is a real danger emerging today that Leadsom will progress to the members' ballot as the standard-bearer of "true Brexit", where she is likely to beat May: because, while grassroots Conservative Association members may be a staid and risk-averse lot, they go utterly loopy when the issue of Europe comes up.

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Jee1

I always wanted to go and live in Germany for a bit though then realized you need to speak the language to get anywhere

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Original post by Jee1

I always wanted to go and live in Germany for a bit though then realized you need to speak the language to get anywhere

That's OK, they offer free 6-month intensive German language courses for immigrants. The British approach would be to cut them to save a few pennies, then be astonished and aggrieved when the immigrants don't magically learn how to speak proper English.

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Jee1

Original post by scrotgrot

That's OK, they offer free 6-month intensive German language courses for immigrants. The British approach would be to cut them to save a few pennies, then be astonished and aggrieved when the immigrants don't magically learn how to speak proper English.

Not going to be free though when we leave the EU in 2 years time

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Original post by Jee1

Not going to be free though when we leave the EU in 2 years time

Best get your skates on then hadn't you? Schnell!

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IronicalMan

Original post by Maker

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3671314/The-Latest-French-PM-Brexit-benefit-Paris-businesses.html

Sounds like a good way to escape Brexit Britain

Make sure you speak Arabic, it will come in handy in the future, ROFL at the bent germans. If they can be called that.

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Bang Outta Order

He says "let us offer it to young Britons who live in Germany, Italy or France, so they can remain European Union citizens in this country." German law normally requires that anyone applying for citizenship has to relinquish their old citizenship.

See how Brexit inspires other countries to open their eyes? Now they're modifying their own unfair citizenship laws :u:

Whereas with Remain, nothing would've happened. There. I've spun it around to again justify Brexit :colone:

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Bang Outta Order

Original post by Jee1

Not going to be free though when we leave the EU in 2 years time

They better get on it now then hehe
Get the disloyal expats out the way now.

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IronicalMan

Original post by marco14196

I do love that the Leave campaigners feel they can try to deter people from wanting to leave the country, wanting them to share in the suffering. If you're a young person, have little anchoring you in this country and you have a career lined up abroad, take the opportunity.

I don't lol, they can all **** off, higher wages for me....

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Bang Outta Order