Strongest argument yet from a remain voter

OP

[video="youtube;_RDOq70MYJY"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RDOq70MYJY[/video]

They just haven't got a clue :rofl:

Reply 2

OP

[video="youtube;LdpPHmRbLaw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdpPHmRbLaw[/video]
Look at the confrontational and aggressive fascist.

Make the video black and white, give him a bit of a tidier hair cut and change the flag and you basically have a Nazi propaganda video.

Reply 3

OP

[video="youtube;uQxcjrJ6FR8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQxcjrJ6FR8[/video]

Compelling hypothesis. :rofl:

Reply 4

username1539513

Lmao at this German trying to shame Brits for having a choice in how their own damn country is run

[video="youtube;LdpPHmRbLaw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdpPHmRbLaw[/video]

Reply 5

OP

[video="youtube;4L9GYbQTPm8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L9GYbQTPm8[/video]

The brainwashing is strong with this one. The level of stupidity here is incredible. How do these people manage to dress themselves?

Reply 6

OP

[video="youtube;jJWCng3TuWU"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJWCng3TuWU[/video]

:rofl:

Reply 7

vela1

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Well we're leaving so this is all redundant.

Reply 8

TimmonaPortella

All terribly depressing stuff OP, particularly the first clip.

So how many of these mouth-breathers do we think added to the 'voters with degrees' statistic? I bet it was a couple.

Reply 9

OP

Original post by vela1

Well we're leaving so this is all redundant.

No, its hilarious. Look at the brainwashed fascist sheep shouting and supporting something they have no clue about.

Reply 10

OP

Original post by TimmonaPortella

All terribly depressing stuff OP, particularly the first clip.

So how many of these mouth-breathers do we think added to the 'voters with degrees' statistic? I bet it was a couple.

The more people study and learn about the EU the more likely they are to want to leave it. There's a reason a large proportion of the EU's activities are not transparent. Of course, the remain voters see leaving such an institution as being a backward step but the reality is we've left a fish tank for the big old sea.

Reply 11

TaintedLight

This doesn't prove anything. I can post just as many (if not more) "interviews" of leave- voters that will make you laugh, face palm or frown.

it's bad enough the leave campaign and co made dumbfounded claims to win votes and now you people are going to pick out certain interviews that are deliberately meant to represent the remain voters' knowledge on the matter?

Now that is depressing!

Original post by TimmonaPortella

All terribly depressing stuff OP, particularly the first clip.

So how many of these mouth-breathers do we think added to the 'voters with degrees' statistic? I bet it was a couple.

there was a time when I used to regard your posts highly....👎🏼

Reply 12

TimmonaPortella

Original post by TaintedLight

there was a time when I used to regard your posts highly....👎🏼

I'm wounded.

Obviously you can find stupid people supporting anything. Interviews like this are not a scientific tool. They do, however, help to remind us that the smart vs ignorant narrative that a lot of people seem to be buying into in relation to this might be a little on the superficial side.

Reply 13

scrotgrot

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Original post by TimmonaPortella

I'm wounded.

Obviously you can find stupid people supporting anything. Interviews like this are not a scientific tool. They do, however, help to remind us that the smart vs ignorant narrative that a lot of people seem to be buying into in relation to this might be a little on the superficial side.

But Welshie is pushing a counter-narrative which is just as false: that people who actually research the EU tend to vote Leave. I know all about it and I voted Remain - probably because, unlike the preponderance of Leave voters, I also have a healthy scepticism of our own government, democracy etc. For me, as every vote becomes when you actually look into both options properly, the vote to Remain was a least worst vote.

Reply 14

username1204031

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Truly horrifying that people can have different values and priorities.

Even though the EU is democratic and has served our interests better than the last 4 (at least) of our elected governments.

Reply 15

JamesN88

Both sides have got their share of plonkers.

[video="youtube;he9FQ2xTD9o"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he9FQ2xTD9o[/video]

Reply 16

TimmonaPortella

Original post by scrotgrot

But Welshie is pushing a counter-narrative which is just as false: that people who actually research the EU tend to vote Leave. I know all about it and I voted Remain - probably because, unlike the preponderance of Leave voters, I also have a healthy scepticism of our own government, democracy etc. For me, as every vote becomes when you actually look into both options properly, the vote to Remain was a least worst vote.

Oh, I'm sure there are lots of people with a reasonable understanding of the EU institutions who voted remain. I think one could maintain (and I do) that greater control for our domestic systems is preferable whilst conceding that our own systems are not perfect. In any event, I think it's still worthwhile to point out that at least some of the pro EU sentiment, especially amongst the youth vote, seems to have its basis more in empty virtue-signalling than serious consideration of the EU's institutions, history, and legal framework.

Reply 17

JamesN88

My main reasons/opinions that led me to vote Remain were

Democracy: The EU isn't undemocratic but not as democratic as it could be, but enough at present for a semi-integrated union.

Sovereignty: Yes we have been outvoted 72 times, but this is only 2% and selectively ignores the other 98%. The UK position on issues isn't unified so "we" is a very loose term anyway.

Turkey: Never going to fulfill the joining criteria so a non-issue. Would get vetoed anyway as no sane person wants the EU to border the Islamic State.

Single Market: EU membership not required but since full access requires contributing to the EU budget and accepting the four freedoms it seemed almost pointless to leave, since realistically we're going to stay part of it anyway to safeguard foreign investment into the UK and passporting for the city. However paying for access from outside the EU would still allow us the economic benefits but not be tied to the CFP(while not having much knowledge of it myself I get the impression that it's universally hated by fisherman).

Tories: The Tory right supporting Leave made me instinctively want to vote to remain, they're hardly the champions for the ordinary person. Rupert Murdoch supporting leave because he has more influence in the UK compared to Europe was another related factor to this(I know I'm a bit of a hypocrite as I have Sky but it pisses on the competition).

EU Migrants: Net contributors to the economy so not an issue for me, the strain on public services is due to Tory austerity policies.

Trade: The EU has 50+ free trade deals with non-EU countries in place so the idea that they block trade with the rest of the world is nonsense, however in hindsight if we joined EFTA there's less people to satisfy when making future deals so it may benefit us in the long run.

In short I don't think the EU is perfect by any means but I'm yet to be convinced that we'll be better off overall by leaving.

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 18

Abstract_Prism

Wow, their arguments are really simplistic.

Reply 19

ChaoticButterfly