Government responds to second EU referendum petition

But the 17-18 million people who voted leave dont count then? The country voted, the majority said leave. Simple as. Dont like it, leave

It might be interesting to see how many people would still vote leave given virtually every promise made by the leave campaign was abandoned, some before midday after the vote.

Polling published yesterday give it 50-50, and polling the other day suggests more remainers think they made the wrong decision than leavers

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Source?

Rather than the campaign, the petition was set up by a Leave voter before the votes were counted back in May, when it was thought Remain would win. I'm not sure how many people signed it at that point though.

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It was set up by a leave voter, calling for a re-run if the turnout was what he considered "too low" regardless of what the result was, which is something of a reasonable concern even if I completely disagree with the petition.

It has very obviously been taken over by remain voters who just want a re-run because they lost, which is not reasonable at all.

But 75% turnout. Good GE turnout is what, high 30s/low 40s?

But 75% turnout. Good GE turnout is what, high 30s/low 40s?

Ummm, GE turnout is about 65%, so turnout was barely higher

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As a side note I think turnout is based on registered voters and if so loads more people registered to vote for the referendum and therefore it would have been a lot more people who voted in the referendum


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It was set up by a leave voter, calling for a re-run if the turnout was what he considered "too low" regardless of what the result was, which is something of a reasonable concern even if I completely disagree with the petition.

It has very obviously been taken over by remain voters who just want a re-run because they lost, which is not reasonable at all.

By the terms of that Leaver's petition, "Too low" was below 75% - actual turnout was 71.6%
And his Majority target was 60% - actual majority was 52%.

So why was it reasonable for a Leaver to ask for those stipulations if Leave "lost", but not now in the event of a Leave "win".

And, by the way, some previous referendums, including the Scottish Devo 1979 referendum, required a 40% majority of the total electorate. That referendum was overturned because despite a string majority it wasn't more than 40% of the electorate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution_referendum,_1979

Bottomline, there should have been similar requirements for this referendum. Especially given the potential significant constitional impact of this advisory (not legally binding) referendum.

However as there weren't all people can is debate the issue. And democracy allows that debate to occur. And also to potentially push for a 2nd Referendum (or General Election) to approve any final "Leaving" deal once A50 is completed.

Do you believe the Welsh Assembly should exist?

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I do think referendums leading to constitutional change should be more emphatic.

I don't know enough about Welsh politics but:

1979 : 20.3 Yes : 79.8 No, on a 59% turnout = that's an emphatic No
1997 : 50.3 Yes : 49.7 No, on a 50% turnout = not a convincing Yes
2011 : 63.5 Yes : 36.5 No, on a 36% turnout = a convincing Yes, would be interested to know why turnout was low.

So short answer is Yes.

So despite only about one in 4 welsh people voting for the welsh assembly it should exist?

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The trend is clear. The support was >60%. So yep. But I agree the implication of the low turnout does weaken it. Any thoughts on why it was low?

The referendum that established the welsh assembly only had a quarter of the Welsh supporting the welsh assembly. Stop flip flopping: should it have been established or not?

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1997 was not enough, no.

They should have had further Referendum a few years later.

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I think waiting a few years will be a little late to be keeping the UK in the EU. I also doubt many people are going to be willing to pay for these neverendums

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