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Why aren't more Muslims doing anything to combat terrorism?

All the Paris attackers and the Charlie Hebdonatatckers and many other perpetrators of terro attacks in western counties live in Muslim communities within the cities in these Western countries. So a lot of Muslims in these communities know them and probably know what they believe in. There have been multiple cases of people in these communities later saying that the attacker had professed radical beliefs and that he/she was obsessed with terror apgroups and had a hatred of the West. So why didn't they do anything to stop them? Why don't they report enough incidents of hatred to the police? Why aren't they doing anything to prevent these attacks knowing when a lot of them know about what these perpetrators believed in?

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-- When Muslims from North Africa and Syria commit heinous sex crimes on young girls and women in Sweden and Germany - it's not all Muslims.
-- When radical Muslims commit heinous terrorist acts on innocent citizens in France and Belgium - it's not all Muslims.
-- When a white (or Hispanic) police officer shoots an unarmed black man in the USA - it's all white people.
-- When a Christian decides not to marry a gay couple - it's all Christians.
Original post by biglad2k16
All the Paris attackers and the Charlie Hebdonatatckers and many other perpetrators of terro attacks in western counties live in Muslim communities within the cities in these Western countries. So a lot of Muslims in these communities know them and probably know what they believe in. There have been multiple cases of people in these communities later saying that the attacker had professed radical beliefs and that he/she was obsessed with terror apgroups and had a hatred of the West. So why didn't they do anything to stop them? Why don't they report enough incidents of hatred to the police? Why aren't they doing anything to prevent these attacks knowing when a lot of them know about what these perpetrators believed in?


Do you have evidence to support your claims? Or are you starting a thread to continue the great TSR Muslim bashing?
Original post by biglad2k16
All the Paris attackers and the Charlie Hebdonatatckers and many other perpetrators of terro attacks in western counties live in Muslim communities within the cities in these Western countries. So a lot of Muslims in these communities know them and probably know what they believe in. There have been multiple cases of people in these communities later saying that the attacker had professed radical beliefs and that he/she was obsessed with terror apgroups and had a hatred of the West. So why didn't they do anything to stop them? Why don't they report enough incidents of hatred to the police? Why aren't they doing anything to prevent these attacks knowing when a lot of them know about what these perpetrators believed in?


With virtually all terror attacks we learn later that the person was "known to intelligence services" or something similar, the problem isn't that these individuals aren't known to the police, its that the authorities don't seem to do anything besides "watch them". Proper action needs to be taken to get rid of those who express radical beliefs before attacks happen.
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Original post by jake4198
-- When Muslims from North Africa and Syria commit heinous sex crimes on young girls and women in Sweden and Germany - it's not all Muslims.
-- When radical Muslims commit heinous terrorist acts on innocent citizens in France and Belgium - it's not all Muslims.
-- When a white (or Hispanic) police officer shoots an unarmed black man in the USA - it's all white people.
-- When a Christian decides not to marry a gay couple - it's all Christians.


That's your own narrative, your own perception guided by your bias.
Original post by biglad2k16
All the Paris attackers and the Charlie Hebdonatatckers and many other perpetrators of terro attacks in western counties live in Muslim communities within the cities in these Western countries. So a lot of Muslims in these communities know them and probably know what they believe in. There have been multiple cases of people in these communities later saying that the attacker had professed radical beliefs and that he/she was obsessed with terror apgroups and had a hatred of the West. So why didn't they do anything to stop them? Why don't they report enough incidents of hatred to the police? Why aren't they doing anything to prevent these attacks knowing when a lot of them know about what these perpetrators believed in?


Because it's not their job.

As said above, the authorities are always aware of the people, but they are aware of hundreds of thousands...

Unfortunately some will always slip through their hands and be able to horrible attacks like this
"Why don't you Moslems stop ISIS???"

...Ok hold up *pulls phone*

Me: "Yo ISIS Habibi, it's me please stahp"

ISIS: "Ok soz habibs"

Spoiler

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Original post by offhegoes
That's your own narrative, your own perception guided by your bias.


102 black men were killed last year by law enforcement officers and it led to mass protest and civil violence. Over 140 innocence French people were killed last year by radical Muslims and we're meant to do nothing? Your not wanting to accept the disparity shows your own misguided bias and not mine.
i am sure that the Front National have plenty of plans to deal with these people. they are not noted for their political correctness.
Because a lot of Muslims agree with the views of these extremists. I'm yet to hear of an Imam or high-profile Islamic leader speak out against discrimination against apostates, non-believers, gay people, or anyone else the religion deems 'sinners'.
Is not exactly the response of individual Muslims to combat terrorism is it? It's like asking why there aren't more Christians fighting against groups like WBC - because they can't do much as they possess no authoritative power.
Only the terrorists themselves are to be blamed, not Muslims.
Original post by TheTechN1304
Because a lot of Muslims agree with the views of these extremists. I'm yet to hear of an Imam or high-profile Islamic leader speak out against discrimination against apostates, non-believers, gay people, or anyone else the religion deems 'sinners'.


Where is your proof? There is no point generalising saying 'a lot of Muslims' think that and do that when you have no clear evidence to validate your opinion.
Original post by nutcase13
With virtually all terror attacks we learn later that the person was "known to intelligence services" or something similar, the problem isn't that these individuals aren't known to the police, its that the authorities don't seem to do anything besides "watch them". Proper action needs to be taken to get rid of those who express radical beliefs before attacks happen.


There's a massive degree of difference between someone who has a view that you may find unpleasant and someone acting on that view.

There's also only so much that the security services can do. You can't watch everyone constantly just because they follow an IS Twitter account (for example).

People seem to have this idea that agencies like MI5 are enormous departments with tens of thousands of officers all over the country. The reality is they (MI5) barely have 5000 employees and the overwhelming majority of these will be support staff.

"Known to the police" can mean anything and is invariably taken out of context.
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Original post by jake4198
102 black men were killed last year by law enforcement officers and it led to mass protest and civil violence. Over 140 innocence French people were killed last year by radical Muslims and we're meant to do nothing? Your not wanting to accept the disparity shows your own misguided bias and not mine.


Your bias is in your perception of how society responded to these things.But let's go with your point. How many US law enforcement officers killed black men? Out of how many total US law enforcement officers? And how many radical Muslims committed terrorist attacks in France? Out of how many Muslims in France?
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Original post by Kraixo
"Why don't you Moslems stop ISIS???"

...Ok hold up *pulls phone*

Me: "Yo ISIS Habibi, it's me please stahp"

ISIS: "Ok soz habibs"

Spoiler



Didn't realise you posted this - I uploaded the picture lool
Original post by Drewski
There's a massive degree of difference between someone who has a view that you may find unpleasant and someone acting on that view.

There's also only so much that the security services can do. You can't watch everyone constantly just because they follow an IS Twitter account (for example).

People seem to have this idea that agencies like MI5 are enormous departments with tens of thousands of officers all over the country. The reality is they (MI5) barely have 5000 employees and the overwhelming majority of these will be support staff.

"Known to the police" can mean anything and is invariably taken out of context.


I agree with the first point however if you have someone expressing the view "to kill all westerners", regardless of whether they have acted on it or not i think its safe to say they should be removed from society in some form or another.

Also the number of staff etc that intelligence services employ is irrelevant, for example GCHQ also has around a similar number of staff yet im sure we are all being spied upon some way or another.
Original post by offhegoes
Your bias is in your perception of how society responded to these things.But let's go with your point. How many US law enforcement officers killed black men? Out of how many total US law enforcement officers? And how many radical Muslims committed terrorist attacks in France? Out of how many Muslims in France?


- There are 1.2 million front-line police officers in the United States.
- There are five million Muslims in France.

But that is a false equivalency. Black men commit over 50% of the the United States' murders and also account for over 25% of all crime, even though they represent just 6% of the population.

If we just take raw data, the number of killings last year of black men by police officers as a gross ratio was 1:11765. The number of killings last year of French people last year by Muslims as a gross ratio was 1:35211.

However, when we take away the number of unarmed shootings that were deemed justified, only 8 were deemed unlawful. The ratio changes to 1:150000.

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